Fios+Android users inspide por favor

[Tx Redneck]

Look up QoS and YouTube problems.

What kind of router? Actiontec?

Westell and will do. I was supposed to receive one of their N routers today, but it didn't deliver. The guy was trying to get me to get it for their monthly charge, but I told him it wasn't necessary since the service doesn't exceed 100Mbits nor do we ever saturate that within our home network. He then relented and said that the one I have is really old so they'd just give me the newest one they offer.

Saved and Texan by the Grace of God, Redneck by choice.

[Tx Redneck]

Okay , just checked and QoS isn't on. Ionno if the Vz guys are blowing sunshine up my rear or what's goin on, but the problem seemed to start about the same time we switched to the 75/35 plan from the old 20/5.

Hopefully the new router delivers tomorrow so I can see how it does.

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[mustang_revival]

I'll check my kids tablet later today and report back. I'm still on the 20/5 plan - fast enough for me for now..

[Tx Redneck]

Update:Last night after 10pm yt and Google Play speeds seemed to go back to normal.

Fast fast forward to today. I get home about 15 to 6 and started watching a vid while "making a deposit", but wasn't paying attention to the fact that I was WiFi until the video stopped playing and started buffering. I looked at the time, lo and behold, it was 6 on the nose.

In gonna see if I can replicate this tonight and again tomorrow, but for posterity, here's the throughput while dling that video with an app. Notice the speed.

Saved and Texan by the Grace of God, Redneck by choice.

[LS1Goat]

Bryan, give this trick a try.

FIOS claims they don't throttle, but they most certainly do.

http://mitchribar.com/2013/02/time-warner-cable-sucks-for-youtube-twitchtv/

[Tx Redneck]

Aaand, I believe this is a Boosh on ISP's.

http://corp.sonic.net/ceo/2013/05/24/internet-video-needs-a-carterfone/

From 1877 until 1968, consumers in the US were only allowed to use telephone equipment that was provided by the telephone company.*It was a closed system, where your only choice of handset was the one that the local phone company would rent to you. This was codified by the FCC:FCC Tariff Number 132: “No equipment, apparatus, circuit or device not furnished by the telephone company shall be attached to or connected with the facilities furnished by the telephone company, whether physically, by induction or otherwise.”The Carterfone was a special purpose device which allowed mobile radio users to be “patched through” to telephone lines via an acoustic coupling. In other words, the telephone receiver just sat on top of the Carterfone. This was a violation of the rules, and it was challenged as an illegal device by AT&T.In the Carterphone decision of 1968, the Federal Communications Commission reversed this, allowing customer owned devices to be connected to telephone lines. This eliminated the phone company’s monopoly on equipment, and opened the door to a wave of innovation. This spawned consumer FAX machines, modems, cordless phones and cheap home answering machines. Consumers had choice, and the network was open (at least from the perspective of equipment.)Today we have a similar problem with video content providers. Fox, ABC, CBS, NBC and Hulu all provide access to television shows which you can watch in your web browser. You can view the content on your desktop PC, on your laptop, and you can even plug your laptop into your television to watch in the living room.But, along comes the modern Carterphone: devices like Google TV, Boxee and Roku. All of these are basically web browsers in a small box which make it more convenient to connect to your TV than a laptop would be. And, like AT&T in the 1960′s, the video content sites have responded by blocking these innovative devices.The Internet now needs a Carterphone decision. With the blocking of Google TV and other devices, there is a clear violation of the principal of network neutrality. Consumers should be able to view content with “any lawful device”, as the Carterphone decision said.Clearly, where devices have limitations, it should not be a content providers responsibility to address them. For example, if a site uses Flash to play video, it won’t work on the iPhone. That is Apple’s choice, and an intentional limitation of the device. Content providers certainly should not be required to make their content work with every possible device.But, when a device has the technical capabilities to access content, it should not be blocked by the content provider. Doing so is discriminatory protectionism and a violation of the tenets of network neutrality.

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[abecx]

They dont throttle, they cache content which is a big difference. All the major ISPs do this. I setup a VPN to abecx.net and just tunnel all my traffic through there, which fixes the problem.

[Tx Redneck]

If that's the case, why isn't the problem present on any other site or over mobile data?

I respect your knowledge, hence why I ask. This is way outta my league here.

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[abecx]

They do it on a lot of shit, all the streams i do ( illegal and otherwise ) are fucking limited/cached, I know this because when I tunnel my connection through abecx.net they are all super fast and in HD np. So going from Los Angeles to Kansas City, then to youtube is faster than going from LA to Youtube.... they love that shit because they can put ads up and save money on bandwidth... justin.tv, vimeo, youtubes, that one site that does a lot of live streams all occasionally just go slow. I watch about 400+ you tube videos a month, its a HUGE difference. Try using 4G instead of wifi the next time youtube is slow on your home connection.

They do this because its compeitive product, content devliery is about to get real ugly.

[Tx Redneck]

Ok, you just confirmed what I've suspected. They shape traffic of competing content for their benefit. If the service you're wanting to use is unnecessarily slow, maybe you'll pay for the same content on their paid VOD service.

That's the gist of the article I posted above.

Edit:hook a brotha up w/vpn through abex.net

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[abecx]

Well, they arent ALLOWED to do that, so what they do to get around it is host youtube on their own servers. and if its slow its because their servers are bad. So technically they arent rate limiting you.

Google is like KK LESS BANDWIDTH FOR US LOL so they dont care.... for now

[Tx Redneck]

Sounds like some shady lawyer created horse manure.

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[Tx Redneck]

Ok, w/the caching issue aside, how does the performance of Google Play, video in Hangouts... all play into this because the bandwidth is hampered on those too.

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[LS1Goat]

They dont throttle, they cache content which is a big difference. All the major ISPs do this. I setup a VPN to abecx.net and just tunnel all my traffic through there, which fixes the problem.

It's been pretty well documented that they due indeed use some degree of throttling. DSLReports and Reddit have ample discussion about it.

All you have to do is look at the dropped packets on YouTube say vs. Vimeo. On the same pipe, it's night and day. However, through a VPN it's nearly unaffected. Yes, Verizon calls it "caching". And the end of the day it's traffic shaping i.e. throttling. Semantics...

[abecx]

Traffic shaping and throttling are completely different. Technically, their setup should yield faster youtube videos.

Reddit is full of internet noobs anyway.


OMG REDIS IS THE NEW TECH ITS BULLETPROOF LOL MYSQL

bunch of queers

LOOK WE FOUND THE BOSTON BOMBER... JK LOL

Also, you dont drop packets, you dont even connect to youtube, you connect to ISPs caching servers. I have tcpdump to prove.