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  • Velvet Deer Antlers - Natural HGH?

    Anyone read about this?

    The latest performance-enhancing tactic sports leagues must monitor: deer antlers. Good luck.


    Deer antlers? Yes, deer antlers.

    They harvest the so-called velvet antler (a soft coating that covers deer antlers) in New Zealand, freeze-dry it and then grind it into a powder. It then gets shipped to the United States, where it gets put into either capsules or liquid extracts that can become a simple mouth spray. You can buy it for $68 a bottle.

    For the elite athlete, experts say it’s essentially a human growth hormone, one of the substances organized sports is trying to keep out. The difference here is deer antlers are natural, not synthetic, and properly discovering it in a test falls somewhere between extremely challenging to virtually impossible.

    Bengals safety Roy Williams says he uses the mouth spray "all the time."

    Best anyone can figure, first you need to run a blood test (which leagues such as the NFL or Major League Baseball don’t do). Then you need to run a blood test at the exact proper time. Otherwise, nothing comes up.

    “You can find it,” Jonathan Danaceau, a director at a World Doping Agency approved lab, said. “But saying whether this is synthetic or natural is hard to determine. It’s only detectable in blood, and most anti-doping tests are done in urine.”

    It’s a loophole for the athlete – turning drug tests into intelligence tests. You have to be stupid to fail one. The benefits of deer antler – or more specifically the substance IGF-1 that comes from it – are clear. IGF-1 is banned by everyone.

    “It’s one of the proteins that is increased in human growth hormone … it’s considered performance-enhancing,” Danaceau said.

    It’s similar to HGH in that it aids in recovery. It helps build tissue, and strengthen tissue – more than you can ever do by training alone. Any preparation that is not naturally occurring is banned. Taking IGF-1 through deer antler is banned as well.”

    So it’s banned, but difficult to detect, which leaves sports leagues in a quandary.

    How the heck do you stop this?

    “I use the spray all the time,” Bengals safety Roy Williams said. “Two to three times a day. My body felt good after using it. I did feel a difference.”

    Williams never tested positive for anything. Considering various NFL assistant coaches, including new Oakland Raiders head coach Hue Jackson have been associated with a company that admits shipping it to NFL players, it stands to reason the stuff is all over the league.

    The NFL wants to claim it is fighting performance-enhancing drugs. A look around any locker room will tell you there are more than a few holes in the system. Guys will do pretty much anything to play in the NFL – the money, the fame, the competition. Now this?

    The NFL is already in the collective bargaining fight of its life – you want to put blood testing on the table with the Players’ Association? Who even knows if this stuff is all that bad? Cheating is cheating but, maybe some of this stuff shouldn’t be considered cheating. If it can’t be enforced, why not make it legal for all?

    Besides, the NFL is a brutal sport and recovering each week so you can get back on the field is a major part of it. If spraying ground up deer antler into your mouth helps, are we supposed to be outraged? Don’t you want players to recover from injuries?

    Fans don’t seem to care what NFL players take – the game, in and of itself, is a health risk. Only the most naïve believe it’s clean anyway.

    Yet according to Nielsen, a remarkable 53.2 million people watched the end of the New York Jets-New England Patriots game Sunday. That’s essentially one in every six Americans, babies included.

    And while there is an inherent unfair advantage if one player keeps staying healthy while another doesn’t, what we haven’t seen in the NFL is what plagued baseball – over the top performances.

    Some fans aren’t comfortable with players coming along and suddenly slugging 20 percent more home runs than anyone ever had. Since no one is suddenly throwing a football 100 yards in the air or rushing for 3,000 or kicking 80-yard field goals, it’s easy to overlook.

    Ray Lewis(notes) is linked to this controversy through text messages with a supplier. Here’s guessing most fans will just shrug. Or laugh. The meanest linebacker of this generation might be playing with Bambi in him?

    Some will actually applaud the resourcefulness of a veteran prolonging his career; after all, the game is more exciting with Ray Lewis in it.

    If this was Albert Pujols, the reaction might be different. Or maybe at this point it won’t. Baseball doesn’t take blood tests either. IGF-1 can make the punishment of the season easier though. It’s the same for the NBA or NHL.

    This is the new challenge for the leagues, the next level for those looking to circumvent the rules.

    It’s “natural.” It’s easy – no messy needles. It’s secretive, no accomplices to shoot you up who can one day turn on you (right, Roger Clemens?). It’s effective, essentially HGH without the risk, because you probably aren’t getting caught.

    Freeze-dried, ground up, liquid extract, New Zealand velvet deer antlers. That’s the level the athletes will go to gain an advantage. Anyone got any good ideas how far the leagues have to go to stop it?

  • #2
    Damn. Sounds like I'm about to be out $70.
    "Any dog under 50lbs is a cat and cats are pointless." - Ron Swanson

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    • #3
      What I don't get is, why does it have to be deer from New Zealand? All bucks get velvet on their antlers, I would suspect they all contain similar compounds. Maybe some more than others though.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by poopnut2 View Post
        Damn. Sounds like I'm about to be out $70.
        Grayhorse, you stocking this stuff yet?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by UserX View Post
          What I don't get is, why does it have to be deer from New Zealand? All bucks get velvet on their antlers, I would suspect they all contain similar compounds. Maybe some more than others though.
          I was browsing around and read that around 2% of the elk and deer in the USA have wasting disease. I don't think it would be good to consume something from a deer with wasting disease.

          It was said that New Zealand has had no cases of it.

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          • #6
            found it CHEAP!!! Looks like the real deal even if it isn't I expect awesome placebo results.!!!!

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            • #7
              Motivation is huge while wanting to work out. Let me know how it goes.

              Where did you order?

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              • #8
                Same some more info on where to get it. Or Greg let us know.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Skidmark View Post
                  I was browsing around and read that around 2% of the elk and deer in the USA have wasting disease. I don't think it would be good to consume something from a deer with wasting disease.

                  It was said that New Zealand has had no cases of it.

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_wasting_disease
                  Seems as if it's only found in certain tissue...copied from that link.

                  ", "[a]s a precaution, hunters should avoid eating deer and elk tissues known to harbor the CWD agent (e.g., brain, spinal cord, eyes, spleen, tonsils, lymph nodes) from areas where CWD has been identified."[2

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                  • #10
                    We Guarantee Lowest Prices! Official Online Store. New Products Added Daily. Fast Shipping. Over 300 Brands. Services: Vitamins & Supplements, Sports Protein, Weight Loss, Sports Pre-workouts, Bath & Body, Sports Bars, Multivitamins, Healthy Kitchen Products.


                    it was like 14.99 a bottle and 6 bucks shipped.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by UserX View Post
                      What I don't get is, why does it have to be deer from New Zealand? All bucks get velvet on their antlers, I would suspect they all contain similar compounds. Maybe some more than others though.
                      Originally posted by Skidmark View Post
                      I was browsing around and read that around 2% of the elk and deer in the USA have wasting disease. I don't think it would be good to consume something from a deer with wasting disease.

                      It was said that New Zealand has had no cases of it.

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_wasting_disease
                      The difference is that red deer and elk are raised for commercial consumption in New Zealand, and it's not legal to raise them that way in the US. The supply is guaranteed by that system, because since no one wants the racks for trophies of pen deer over there, and they can cause problems with fighting and getting hung in fences, they just cut the antlers off. Next time you're in whole foods, and see venison for sale, check the box. It'll most likely be a product of New Zealand.
                      ZOMBIE REAGAN FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!! heh

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 93powerranger View Post
                        www.allstarhealth.com

                        it was like 14.99 a bottle and 6 bucks shipped.
                        Bobby, I went to the link last night when you sent it to me. The only product I could find was the pills, and it was $20.00. From everything I've read, the mouth spray or the droplet thing is the way to go, since you're supposed to hold it in your mouth for a minute+ before swallowing.

                        (At least that's what she said. )

                        I did find this place.



                        I also found a place that's a lot more expensive, but the product is a lot more potent. Potent enough to make up for the difference in price? Probably not.

                        "Any dog under 50lbs is a cat and cats are pointless." - Ron Swanson

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                        • #13
                          Sorry, that made me laugh...

                          Originally posted by 93powerranger View Post
                          www.allstarhealth.com

                          it was like 14.99 a bottle and 6 bucks shipped.

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                          • #14
                            I'm hoping Grayhorse can chime in if he's heard of this product and knows if it's a deal or dud.

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                            • #15
                              I looked at lockouts website, searched under "Velvet" "Antler" and "Deer" and nothing came up. From the most part, it looks like most of the places that carry it are more herbal supplements than bodybuilding supplement places.
                              "Any dog under 50lbs is a cat and cats are pointless." - Ron Swanson

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