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Originally posted by talisman View PostWhy are Wranglers so crazy expensive? Every one I see I think "That would be awesome if it was HALF what they are asking." They don't even have good reputations as being reliable."When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler
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Originally posted by talisman View PostI sell an awful lot of Wrangler parts. Sure, the engines usually last, but everything that makes it run seems to fall apart."When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler
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Originally posted by CJ View PostI can tell you my TJ never had any problems at all and I beat the shit out of it. They do not have any reputation that would exceed any other vehicle. The only issue the 4.0L has is cooling issues, and those are usually only in Cherokees. Wranglers occasionally suffer from a vacuum line coming off which causes the blend door on the AC to not work, and after 10 years or so the HVAC fan control switch only works on high setting. Oh, the 04-06 6 speeds had problems with first gear popping out. Outside of that not many problems.
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Most people I've known or still know with Wranglers hardly got/get to enjoy them because they are always in the shop. Poor guy at my work is a big time Jeep lover, and his has been in and out of the shop for the past 3 months costing him thousands of dollars. Tranny took a shit, PCM took a dump and it overheated blowing gaskets and seals and melting shit under the hood. Rear end problems, driveshaft all fucked up, etc. Some of it's bad luck, but damn. You don't hear about near that many quality issues with Toyota.
I like Jeeps for offroading. Point them towards shit and they get to the other side like a mountain goat. But fuck taking one on a long road trip to get to the wilderness, especially with another person or two, gear, dog, etc.
It's amazing what they sell for. Resale is the redeeming quality outside of raw offroading capability. Most people will never encounter terrain where that 4runner wouldn't be enough and a Jeep would.
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Originally posted by jluv View PostMost people I've known or still know with Wranglers hardly got/get to enjoy them because they are always in the shop. Poor guy at my work is a big time Jeep lover, and his has been in and out of the shop for the past 3 months costing him thousands of dollars. Tranny took a shit, PCM took a dump and it overheated blowing gaskets and seals and melting shit under the hood. Rear end problems, driveshaft all fucked up, etc. Some of it's bad luck, but damn. You don't hear about near that many quality issues with Toyota.
I like Jeeps for offroading. Point them towards shit and they get to the other side like a mountain goat. But fuck taking one on a long road trip to get to the wilderness, especially with another person or two, gear, dog, etc.
It's amazing what they sell for. Resale is the redeeming quality outside of raw offroading capability. Most people will never encounter terrain where that 4runner wouldn't be enough and a Jeep would.
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