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  • #31
    Originally posted by SS Junk View Post
    From another article:


    Good news is at least at this point he's no longer a cop. Photo does look like the boy was picked on in his earlier years. Those tats are hideous.

    What's with this bullshit crawl on your knees nonsense? Why couldn't he just tell him to lay face down and cover while another cuffed him? Was it because of the blind corner?


    Could be the dept. won't pay for issued AR's and officers can take a certification class to carry their own.
    Beats the shit out of me. Either walk up and cuff him while he is face down hands over his head. Or call him to you while you cover on the corner. To be so tacticool he was not very tactical.
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    • #32
      All that was missing from his rig was the drop leg holster.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by SS Junk View Post
        All that was missing from his rig was the drop leg holster.
        And chainsaw attachment.

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        • #34
          I’m normally not an FTP’er, but fuck that guy. He just got away with murder.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by 01yz2nv View Post
            I’m normally not an FTP’er, but fuck that guy. He just got away with murder.
            Agreed, did I understand correctly that the video was NOT used as evidence in the case or trial?? I can't see how they can possibly think that the officer was remotely justified in shooting the man. He clearly has some anger or issues, he escalated the situation from the get go by barking orders and threatening to kill the man if he made any mistake. From the video it appears he's looking for anything to shoot the guy and feel justified in his actions.

            Fuck that guy

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Ruffdaddy View Post
              No you wouldn't because again...you would think through it and say "I don't want to embarrass myself in front of my wife or kids" and stroll on. Claim it's a lesson in how to be the bigger man or whatever it took you to convince yourself you're not a bitch.

              It's not pussification...its a rational thought process.
              Do you think you would be the first person with a big mouth that got in my face and thought they could talk shit? I'm more than capable of a rational thought process and assessing a situation on how too handle it. You on the other hand have no idea who I am and seem to think you would be able to break my jaw. How is that rational? What makes you such a bad ass? Remember, there is always someone who is a little bit more of a bad ass out there.

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              • #37
                There is a video that came out sometime last year about the guy who is responsible for a lot of the training that police use. The basic message was that you are in a war zone and everyone you encounter is out to kill you.



                The fatal shooting of a Colorado police officer by a fellow officer and which led to a multi-million legal settlement last week is symptomatic of a nationwide problem of questionable law enforcement training that encourages police to shoot first and ask questions later, the complaint citizens are raising in controversial police shootings in Chicago, Cleveland and this past week in Tulsa, says the dead officer’s attorney.

                Earlier this month, the City of Lakewood paid $3.5 million to settle The Estate of James Davies v. City of Lakewood, et al., Case No. 14-cv-01285-RBJ-NYW (D. Colo.), a lawsuit filed by the estate of James Davies, a Lakewood police officer killed by a fellow officer during a SWAT operation in 2012.

                Attorney Clayton Wire of Denver-based firm Ogborn Mihm, LLC, believes law enforcement needs to stop using training programs that promote and reinforce what he calls a “shoot first and ask questions later,” or “cowboy style” of policing. Increasingly alleged by victims of police shootings, this style of law enforcement in deadly force situations became apparent as the city and shooter defended themselves in the Davies lawsuit, Wire said.

                “The Lakewood police and the shooter retained police psychology experts who train police officers to essentially shoot first and ask questions later,” Wire said.

                The experts hired by the city and the shooter were from the Force Science Institute (FSI), an organization operated by Dr. Bill Lewinski in Mankato, Minnesota. FSI, often hired in the wake of police shootings nationwide by law enforcement agencies to justify the officers’ use of deadly force, says it studies the science and human dynamics behind deadly force encounters.

                “In my opinion, these sorts of training and expert witness organizations teach officers that they must shoot first, and shoot before they have even confirmed the victim has a weapon, because if they don’t the victim could shoot them first,” Wire said. “The message and directive behind such training is that police officers should shoot before fully assessing the actual threat presented by the situation.”

                Lewinski was the subject of a 2015 exposé by The New York Times, entitled “Training Officers to Shoot First, and He Will Answer Questions Later,” which discussed how he and other FSI representatives use questionable scientific conclusions to repeatedly justify heinous shootings by police officers.

                “Ultimately, as a result of expert testimony exposing their pseudo-science, the judge* in our case significantly limited the testimony of the Force Science Institute experts,” Wire said. “The judge ruled they were not qualified to testify about the misapplied and incorrect principles they sought to introduce.”

                James Davies, then a 35-year-old Lakewood police officer, was shot and killed in 2012 outside a single-story house that he and fellow officers from numerous departments were checking after hearing shots fired there. Davies’s wife and estate was represented by Wire and his colleagues at Ogborn Mihm, LLP, attorneys Murray Ogborn and Thomas Neville.

                In the lawsuit, James Davies’ wife, Tamara, asserted on behalf of her husband’s estate that the officer who killed her husband had acted in a reckless and unreasonable manner, supervisory officers on the scene had caused the death of her husband, and that the police department’s policies and customs caused the shooting to occur. In the settlement the City did not admit fault.

                Experts for Ms. Davies, and experts retained by the city, identified numerous errors by the police officers and supervisors, as well as the department. The reconstruction and analysis conducted by Ms. Davies’ experts also revealed the reckless and unreasonable nature of the shooting.

                Wire said the Lakewood police and other law enforcement agencies nationwide need to evaluate deadly force training and focus specifically on what happened to Officer Davies.

                “Besides addressing and working to remedy the “shoot first” mentality in many agencies, police departments need to train their officers effectively so they can identify and track fellow officers during operations,” Wire said.

                Agent Davies was shot by an officer who first went inside the house attempting to clear it and then came out with his AR-15 rifle drawn into a darkened backyard, without first obtaining necessary information regarding the location of perimeter officers, Wire said.

                “Despite having a central role, this officer, an experienced member of the SWAT team, claimed he did not know Davies was stationed at the back fence when he came outside, shot multiple times and killed him,” Wire said.

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                Ogborn Mihm LLP is a member of the International Society of Primerus Law Firms.

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                • #38
                  Ftg.

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                  • #39
                    the rifle was not admitted into evidence by the judge as he thought it would "prejudice them".

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                    • #40
                      I watched that vid. This jackass was out of control. It defies reason that he isn't in prison right now.

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                      • #41
                        I kept looking for the threat, never saw it. This pos screamed instructions like he was hallucinating.

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                        • #42
                          I'm just gonna leave this right here.. If you haven't seen the actual video, this won't make much sense.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Chili View Post
                            I'm just gonna leave this right here.. If you haven't seen the actual video, this won't make much sense.
                            Yeah, good representation of it all.
                            Originally posted by MR EDD
                            U defend him who use's racial slurs like hes drinking water.

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                            • #44
                              Fuck that puto, that was straight up fucking murder. He had the draw on him, even if he was reaching for something, he would have never gotten a shot off, fucking cops, maaaaan...
                              Originally posted by Silverback
                              Look all you want, she can't find anyone else who treats her as bad as I do, and I keep her self esteem so low, she wouldn't think twice about going anywhere else.

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                              • #45
                                I think the reason police often get acquitted is there are so many blind "back the blue" robots out there that see no wrong in what a policemen does, as long as their streets are free of darn kids and they help keep the "one neighbors" late night parties under control with noise complaints.

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