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    So first, did you know that there were 45 747-SP ("Special Performance) planes built? They were put into service for ultra-long routes. It has a shorter fuselage (48' 4" shorter) and larger tail which let it fly further and faster than a standard 747 (45,000 lbs lighter than a 747-200).

    It was developed at the request of PanAm and Iran Airways in the '70s to cover PanAm's New York -> Middle East route and Iran Airways Tehran -> New York route.

    As of February 2013, 18 are still flying, 18 have been scrapped, and 9 are in storage, awaiting salvage or on display in museums.


    747 vs 747 SP




    NASA’s newest telescope is housed in a special jumbo jet that flies at 45,000 feet

    The thick, soupy atmosphere of Earth is great for breathing, but not so much for seeing what’s going on in the cosmos. That’s why the most spectacular and scientifically important images of the universe have been taken by the Hubble Space Telescope. It has served the world well for more than 20 years, but Hubble is nearing the end of its useful life, and the James Webb telescope is still years away from completion. In the meantime, NASA and the German Aerospace Center (DLR) have just completed the Stratospheric Observatory for Infrared Astronomy (SOFIA) — a giant telescope that rides on the back of a high-altitude jumbo jet. It’s really the next best thing to being in space.

    NASA has been working on the SOFIA project for a number of years, but only recently has the flying observatory been declared fully operational. Sadly, it’s not as simple as strapping a telescope to a standard jet and heading for the skies. The plane itself, a Boeing 747SP, is highly specialized. This craft was designed by Boeing to be able to fly higher, faster, and longer than a standard 747, which is perfect for SOFIA. The frame of the aircraft has been modified to be considerably lighter, but the most obvious change is the addition of a large door toward the aft where the 2.5-meter telescope peeks out.




    The unique design of this aircraft allows it to remain in the stratosphere (at about 45,000 feet, 13,000 meters) for several hours making observations. At that altitude, most of the atmospheric distortion ground telescopes contend with is a non-issue, and it can fly to any part of the globe to observe different parts of the sky. One advantage SOFIA has over space-based telescopes is that it lands at the end of each mission, which makes it considerably easier to repair and outfit for particular tasks. A telescope like Hubble needs to be almost entirely automated and servicing it is a bit more involved.



    SOFIA’s telescope works with nine interchangeable instruments that allow it to do astronomy in the infrared and visible spectrum. However, only one instrument can be attached at a time. That’s not a huge problem as NASA plans more than 100 flights per year. The telescope also has a system of gyroscopes and pressurized oil bearings to cope with vibration from turbulence and the engines. Using these packages, SOFIA is capable of investigating many of the same things as space telescopes including exoplanet study, comet composition, and stellar evolution. The newly completed GREAT spectrometer will be perfect for peering deep into distant planetary nebulae.

    While operating SOFIA is cheap compared to launching a space telescope, the yearly costs are still more than $80 million. NASA has worried publicly that unless the DLR contributes more funding to the program, it might have to be grounded in a few years. The space agency is working to convince Congress to authorize additional funding in 2015 for the SOFIA program. Until it knows for sure, NASA will continue flying SOFIA missions and studying the universe at 600 miles per hour.

    Being 35,000 ft up puts it above 99% of the water vapor in the atmosphere and allows it to collect upward of 80% of the infrared light available to space based telescopes.


    This is before they added a giant hole to it














  • #2
    When AA got its first route into Japan, we were flying an SP. Came from a private Arab owner who flew his horses around in it. BIG Bucks to redo the interior...
    Natural law. Sons are put on this earth to trouble their fathers.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 68RR View Post
      private Arab owner who flew his horses around in it.
      Jesus.

      That takes this to a whole other level

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Strychnine View Post
        Jesus.

        That takes this to a whole other level

        Had a good friend who worked for Air France back in the 70's. Said they were frequently shipping horses from the US to France in their 747's for human consumption!
        Natural law. Sons are put on this earth to trouble their fathers.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 68RR View Post
          When AA got its first route into Japan, we were flying an SP. Came from a private Arab owner who flew his horses around in it. BIG Bucks to redo the interior...
          I went to Hawaii in the mid 80's on one.

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          • #6
            [QUOTE=likeitfast55;1346982]I went to Hawaii in the mid 80's on one. QUOTE]

            yep! dat be one of the two we had. When 136 went off the runway at DFW in 88', I was one of the recovery crew sent to remove it. We parked what was left of it at the Freight terminal, right beside the 747 overnight parking spot. When the 747 came in from Japan we "raided" it for soda, etc. Soda cans were real skinny and tall to fit the Japanese hands. Ate some of the sushi and got sick as a dog!
            Natural law. Sons are put on this earth to trouble their fathers.

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            • #7
              I was waiting to cross 36L holding short of departure end of 36R in 88 when a DC10 went off the end.................I saw that happen. It sat in the freight area for years. The 747's were gone before 88. I knew the FE on the 10 that went off-roading.

              Bobby wanted all 4 engine aircraft gone..........

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              • #8
                we had two -10 that were totalled out at DFW. The one in 88' was an aborted take-off due to a slat disagree light. I can assure you that we raided a 747sp while we were there. Have to dig out the pics!
                Natural law. Sons are put on this earth to trouble their fathers.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 68RR View Post
                  we had two -10 that were totalled out at DFW. The one in 88' was an aborted take-off due to a slat disagree light. I can assure you that we raided a 747sp while we were there. Have to dig out the pics!
                  10-4----------you should know.
                  The slat disagree was right at V-1. They should have had the balanced field length to stop.......didn't happen. The pilots did the right thing, the aircraft did not perform according to the performance data. If they had taken it airborne, no leading edge slat-------------would have been a fiery ball around 114 business.

                  The pilots were cleared.

                  The second DC10 was with a Neanderthal Captain who insisted on landing in a thunderstorm and missed the Lima turn-off due to hydroplaning and excessive speed. That one sheared off the landing gear as it went off-roading as well.



                  AA originally ordered 16 747s. AA took eight 747s out of service in early 1974, after the 1973 energy crisis. Six 747s were converted to freighters. AA kept two 747Fs, sold a third to Trans Mediterranean of Lebanon, and the other three 747Fs to Flying Tigers. One of the two grounded 747s that were not converted to freighters was eventually returned to service, and was leased to Braniff in 1977/78, in a hybrid BN / AA scheme, and was mainly used on DFW-HNL. The other aircraft was sold to NASA.

                  AA re purchased the TMA 747F in 1977. In the early 1980s, AA re purchased the three ex-Tigers 747Fs, as partial replacements for AA's 707Fs, which were grounded in 1981.

                  In 1984, AA replaced their remaining passenger 747s with ex-PA / NA DC-10s. Soon afterward, UPS offered to buy AA's six 747Fs. AA accepted UPS' offer.

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                  • #10
                    Those Pan Am DC-10's gave a bunch of people a ton of overtime when they hit Tulsa!

                    We were told that the DC-10's aborted T-O quals were done with new brakes. 136's were about 50%, if I remember correctly. I helped pull the wheel/brakes (melted together) off on the left main gear while it was sitting on the end of the runway.. When I find the pics, I'll pm you for an emaill addy to send them to you..
                    Natural law. Sons are put on this earth to trouble their fathers.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 68RR View Post
                      When AA got its first route into Japan, we were flying an SP. Came from a private Arab owner who flew his horses around in it. BIG Bucks to redo the interior...
                      Wife worked for an aviation interior design company out of Love Field and most of their clientele were of Saudi royalty. The things they wanted done were riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidiculous.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SS Junk View Post
                        Wife worked for an aviation interior design company out of Love Field and most of their clientele were of Saudi royalty. The things they wanted done were riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidiculous.
                        oh so true!!
                        Natural law. Sons are put on this earth to trouble their fathers.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 68RR View Post
                          Those Pan Am DC-10's gave a bunch of people a ton of overtime when they hit Tulsa!

                          We were told that the DC-10's aborted T-O quals were done with new brakes. 136's were about 50%, if I remember correctly. I helped pull the wheel/brakes (melted together) off on the left main gear while it was sitting on the end of the runway.. When I find the pics, I'll pm you for an emaill addy to send them to you..
                          Absolutely----------would love to see that!
                          I have been on the outside doing my walk around when a fuseable plug(over-temp)in the wheel hub blew. Holy shit that is a violent activity! Very loud as well!

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                          • #14
                            This was on the Smithsonian Channel recently. I would imagine they will rerun it.

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                            • #15
                              Well, found two pics so far...




                              Couple of the guys I worked with.. I'm on the far right. Back when the hair and mustash were still black!

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