Dashcam vid released in Grisham arrest

[Buick355]

What's the difference of him taking the weapon and simply asking him to drop the weapon? If I was a cop I would certainly do one or the other before anything else since you have no idea if the guy is a nutjob with a rifle ready to fill you with lead or a responsible gun owner before a little Q&A.

[Super Coupe]

What's the difference of him taking the weapon and simply asking him to drop the weapon? If I was a cop I would certainly do one or the other before anything else since you have no idea if the guy is a nutjob with a rifle ready to fill you with lead or a responsible gun owner before a little Q&A.

No joke. If you don't plan on shooting someone them give it up for a few minutes.

And when I think of disarming someone I think of taking the weapon and not giving it back. I see nothing wrong with taking the weapon to ask a few questions.

[davbrucas]

The thing is, the officer has no reasonable suspicion that the man has committed or is about to commit a crime....assuming it isn't against the law to open carry like he is. So your argument of allowing the JBT to disarm him/you just to answer questions is crap. It's the same for when a cop approaches you on the street and wants to ask questions. Simply ask if you are being retained or under arrest. If you are not, then walk away. It's basically the same thing.
If you allow your rights to be abused, then LE will lose respect for said rights and will not care if you cry foul or if they are wrong. Your rights will be (are) meaningless to them. One day, maybe it will be you bankrupting your family having to defend your word (and rights) against a JBT that looked at you as vermin.

[0393gt]

Hood people are going to start carrying their 9mm on a necklace now. Would that be a cause for concern, or just let them be?

[Super Coupe]

The thing is, the officer has no reasonable suspicion that the man has committed or is about to commit a crime....assuming it isn't against the law to open carry like he is. So your argument of allowing the JBT to disarm him/you just to answer questions is crap. It's the same for when a cop approaches you on the street and wants to ask questions. Simply ask if you are being retained or under arrest. If you are not, then walk away. It's basically the same thing.
If you allow your rights to be abused, then LE will lose respect for said rights and will not care if you cry foul or if they are wrong. Your rights will be (are) meaningless to them. One day, maybe it will be you bankrupting your family having to defend your word (and rights) against a JBT that looked at you as vermin.

I don't know about anybody else but I have never seen a random guy walking down the side of a highway with an AR hanging on his chest. It would make me a little skeptical of what he was doing. I get that its not against the law. That cop didnt give a crap about taking the right to carry a gun like that. He just wanted to question the guy without the risk of anybody getting hurt.

[Super Coupe]

Hood people are going to start carrying their 9mm on a necklace now. Would that be a cause for concern, or just let them be?

Let them roll

[Sean88gt]

Typically an increase in police force does not have a similar decrease in crime rates.

Indeed.

Wow, you people are starting to get what I've been saying for years. We have no rights, if the man feels like fucking up your life, it will be fucked with.

Mexi-nigga! I've been saying the same thing. Politics is the modern brand loyalty test that has replaced Ford v. Chevy.

I have been divorced twice, so I am sick of conflict. Best way to beat the system, is to stay out of the system. It's been proven, they can and will trample on your rights. It is a corrupt system.

Diplomacy.............the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a manner that they look forward to the trip.

You're white, you have a leg up on staying out. I understand diplomacy, I'm just ready for a little anarchy.

[talisman]

Hood people are going to start carrying their 9mm on a necklace now. Would that be a cause for concern, or just let them be?

Open carrying a handgun is illegal.

[Super Coupe]

My girlfriends brother is a police officer. I'm going to show him this video and ask what he would have done in this situation. I know for a fact he is not against the rights for law obeying citizens to arm themselves. I also know he has 2 kids and a wife that he would like to come home to every night. So I bet he probably sees nothing wrong with what happened.

[Denny]

I don't know about anybody else but I have never seen a random guy walking down the side of a highway with an AR hanging on his chest. It would make me a little skeptical of what he was doing. I get that its not against the law. That cop didnt give a crap about taking the right to carry a gun like that. He just wanted to question the guy without the risk of anybody getting hurt.

No he didn't. I would use this in police training. This could have been handled a lot better, even with a citizen on a 2nd Ammendment high.

Serve and Protect means something totally different to me than it does to most of what I see these days. Glad I'm out of that game.

As an officer, if I got a call to go check out a JY walking around with an AR, it would be my obligation to look into it. Why? Because someone felt uncomfortable and threatened that he had it. Fine. We're any laws violated so far? No. I would approach the guy and ask what is going on. If the rifle was slung over his shoulder, I wouldn't have a need to ask him for it while we talked (shit, if he could get a round off before me at that point, I deserve to be shot). Anyway, I would talk to him just like any other person. I wouldn't say things like, "Why do you have that assaulting-type rifle with you?" Or "what's the problem, here?" I would simply make a brief, friendly chat and make observations of his demeanor, maybe assess his arsenal and just make sure that peace is maintained since that SHOULD be the overall objective in any situation. Then I would make a follow-up call to the original complainant and report that he was no threat to anyone during my interaction with him.

But what the hell do I know, I'm no cop.

[Super Coupe]

No he didn't. I would use this in police training. This could have been handled a lot better, even with a citizen on a 2nd Ammendment high.

Serve and Protect means something totally different to me than it does to most of what I see these days. Glad I'm out of that game.

As an officer, if I got a call to go check out a JY walking around with an AR, it would be my obligation to look into it. Why? Because someone felt uncomfortable and threatened that he had it. Fine. We're any laws violated so far? No. I would approach the guy and ask what is going on. If the rifle was slung over his shoulder, I wouldn't have a need to ask him for it while we talked (shit, if he could get a round off before me at that point, I deserve to be shot). Anyway, I would talk to him just like any other person. I wouldn't say things like, "Why do you have that assaulting-type rifle with you?" Or "what's the problem, here?" I would simply make a brief, friendly chat and make observations of his demeanor, maybe assess his arsenal and just make sure that peace is maintained since that SHOULD be the overall objective in any situation. Then I would make a follow-up call to the original complainant and report that he was no threat to anyone during my interaction with him.

But what the hell do I know, I'm no cop.

A normal law obeying citizen would respond with, me and my son are hiking and there are wild animals around that could oppose a threat to us.

They wouldn't answer with cause I can.

[talisman]

No he didn't. I would use this in police training. This could have been handled a lot better, even with a citizen on a 2nd Ammendment high.

Serve and Protect means something totally different to me than it does to most of what I see these days. Glad I'm out of that game.

As an officer, if I got a call to go check out a JY walking around with an AR, it would be my obligation to look into it. Why? Because someone felt uncomfortable and threatened that he had it. Fine. We're any laws violated so far? No. I would approach the guy and ask what is going on. If the rifle was slung over his shoulder, I wouldn't have a need to ask him for it while we talked (shit, if he could get a round off before me at that point, I deserve to be shot). Anyway, I would talk to him just like any other person. I wouldn't say things like, "Why do you have that assaulting-type rifle with you?" Or "what's the problem, here?" I would simply make a brief, friendly chat and make observations of his demeanor, maybe assess his arsenal and just make sure that peace is maintained since that SHOULD be the overall objective in any situation. Then I would make a follow-up call to the original complainant and report that he was no threat to anyone during my interaction with him.

But what the hell do I know, I'm no cop.

And here we have the right answer. It's much easier to be a condescending prick though. Speaking of condescending pricks, I'll probably be giving you a shout tomorrow about a few things. Or fuck it, if you're free, lets get lunch in Lincoln Square.

[Forever_frost]

Good god I'm not saying his rights weren't violated and I'm not saying that civil rights isn't something to take serious. Ill go walk down a road with a shotgun and if a police officer wants to disarm me first to ask what I was up to I wouldn't care. It's not like he's taking it for good. I especially wouldn't care if I had another pistol on me.

If you're not breaking a law, why would you consent to a conversation that can and will be used against you by people that shoot unarmed men sitting in their living room and avoid prosecution, or kick in the door to the wrong address and kill the homeowner and get paid time off?

[Forever_frost]

My girlfriends brother is a police officer. I'm going to show him this video and ask what he would have done in this situation. I know for a fact he is not against the rights for law obeying citizens to arm themselves. I also know he has 2 kids and a wife that he would like to come home to every night. So I bet he probably sees nothing wrong with what happened.

See, I'm sure I'd like to go home at night so when an armed man tries to disarm me when I am not breaking any law, I am going to assume he means me harm.

[Denny]

And here we have the right answer. It's much easier to be a condescending prick though. Speaking of condescending pricks, I'll probably be giving you a shout tomorrow about a few things. Or fuck it, if you're free, lets get lunch in Lincoln Square.

Right on!