FTP? Guy tased after refusing to sign a traffic ticket

[bcoop]

I would treat it like the woman Brent is.

You're all talk, all vagina, and all cocksucker. You won't do shit. You had your chance, and you flopped that flabby gaping twat of yours out instead of being a fucking man.


You're a bitch, you've always been a bitch, and you'll always be a bitch. You've got to wake up and live with that reality every day, not me. I'm not a difficult guy to find, if you pay attention. Come on out and tell me how it is, just like you did last time.



Cracks me the fuck up that I get under your skin so badly, that you revert to your pathetic high school/cop mentality every fucking time I so much as post.

[krazy kris]

Damn, light me up like a Christmas tree for $40K

[Denny]

If the PO clarified that signing the ticket wasn't an admission of guilt, rather a promise to appear in court, the officer might have got his way. Tell the guy that the side of the road wasn't a place to dispute the citation and that the court room is the place for that. If he STILL refused to sign, then he should have slapped the cuffs on and taken him before a magistrate to get it settled. If the guy resisted arrest, THEN elevate your level of force.

Ultimately, he could have got tazed and been SOL on any claim, but this scenario was an obvious screw up on the officer's choice of level of force to control the situation.


THAT is how you show both sides of it...

[racrguy]

"You weren't following my instructions!"

Go fuck yourself.

[Chili]

I only watched until the dumb ass got tased.. I have no sympathy for him and don't think he should have gotten a dime.

Arguing with a cop about the speed limit on the side of the road is never going to get you anywhere. Signing the ticket is just saying that you will appear or otherwise follow up on the issue. You don't sign you go to jail. So the cop asks him to put his hands behind his back, the guy refuses and starts to walk away. I am 100% ok with him getting tased. The only alternative is for him to go hands on and wrestle with the guy, risking injury to himself. All because the douchebag wanted to argue and fail to comply with the officers lawful commands.

[Chili]

If the PO clarified that signing the ticket wasn't an admission of guilt, rather a promise to appear in court, the officer might have got his way. Tell the guy that the side of the road wasn't a place to dispute the citation and that the court room is the place for that. If he STILL refused to sign, then he should have slapped the cuffs on and taken him before a magistrate to get it settled. If the guy resisted arrest, THEN elevate your level of force.

Ultimately, he could have got tazed and been SOL on any claim, but this scenario was an obvious screw up on the officer's choice of level of force to control the situation.


THAT is how you show both sides of it...

He did resist, IMO. The cop said put your hands behind your back and the guy refused and started walking back to his car door. I saw another video like that recently.. The OK Trooper did not tase the guy (did not have a taser), the guy proceeds to pull out and load a rifle, and then killed the cop right there.

[bcoop]

If the PO clarified that signing the ticket wasn't an admission of guilt, rather a promise to appear in court, the officer might have got his way. Tell the guy that the side of the road wasn't a place to dispute the citation and that the court room is the place for that. If he STILL refused to sign, then he should have slapped the cuffs on and taken him before a magistrate to get it settled. If the guy resisted arrest, THEN elevate your level of force.

Ultimately, he could have got tazed and been SOL on any claim, but this scenario was an obvious screw up on the officer's choice of level of force to control the situation.


THAT is how you show both sides of it...

It's a shame you got out as soon as you realized it was crooked as fuck (not your dick, you queer). Instead we get power tripping assholes like Sargeant Slackjaw Faggot (Matt) who has no control over their lives, so they take it out on everyone else. You'd have been a good officer, with logic like that.

[Denny]

I only watched until the dumb ass got tased.. I have no sympathy for him and don't think he should have gotten a dime.

Arguing with a cop about the speed limit on the side of the road is never going to get you anywhere. Signing the ticket is just saying that you will appear or otherwise follow up on the issue. You don't sign you go to jail. So the cop asks him to put his hands behind his back, the guy refuses and starts to walk away. I am 100% ok with him getting tased. The only alternative is for him to go hands on and wrestle with the guy, risking injury to himself. All because the douchebag wanted to argue and fail to comply with the officers lawful commands.

Most of the public relate signing a ticket to an admission of guilt. The officer should clarify so that everyone involved has a good understanding of everything going on. That is the right of everyone.

Was it legal? Ya, technically. Did the driver handle it wrong? Yep. Did the officer act unprofessionally? Yep. Could this have been avoided by EITHER person involved? Definately.

With a civil matter, fault can be found and penalties can be assessed based on a percentage of fault. In that case, the complainant was awarded something because the defendant held a certain amount of fault to it. Either that or the city just settled with him to STFU.

[Denny]

He did resist, IMO. The cop said put your hands behind your back and the guy refused and started walking back to his car door. I saw another video like that recently.. The OK Trooper did not tase the guy (did not have a taser), the guy proceeds to pull out and load a rifle, and then killed the cop right there.

Technically, his refusal and walking away is resisting (and evading).

It's a shame you got out as soon as you realized it was crooked as fuck (not your dick, you queer). Instead we get power tripping assholes like Sargeant Slackjaw Faggot (Matt) who has no control over their lives, so they take it out on everyone else. You'd have been a good officer, with logic like that.

But I also realize that I too have temper issues for certain situations and would pose a liability to myself, the public and the department I worked for. Being a PO has got to be the hardest job I can think of, especially if the person has a heart and the will to make a difference.

Try arriving to a scene with a drunk father beating a wife and kid... all while trying to maintain a professional composure and just mitigate a situation, remove a threat and restore peace. There might have been a time when I could pull that off successfully, but not anymore. I have less laibility as a civilian that can tend to an immediate threat if one should occur while I'm around.

[Chili]

Most of the public relate signing a ticket to an admission of guilt. The officer should clarify so that everyone involved has a good understanding of everything going on. That is the right of everyone.

Was it legal? Ya, technically. Did the driver handle it wrong? Yep. Did the officer act unprofessionally? Yep. Could this have been avoided by EITHER person involved? Definately.

With a civil matter, fault can be found and penalties can be assessed based on a percentage of fault. In that case, the complainant was awarded something because the defendant held a certain amount of fault to it. Either that or the city just settled with him to STFU.

I don't disagree that the cop could have explained better that signing the ticket was not an admission of guilt, but once the cop says step out and put your hands behind your back, it's time to stop talking and do what he says. And then to start walking back towards the car was the icing on the cake, IMO.

[Chili]

Here's that video I was talking about. There are some crazy fucks out there. If a cop is telling you to put your hands behind your back and you respond by refusing and walking back towards your car, you could be going for a gun for all they know.

From what I was told by a former US Marshall, the cop in this video had taken heat from his bosses about being too fast to escalate force / shoot. Which may be why he was so hesitant to shoot the guy... Either way, I would not be taking this risk.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8-ycSkoYfc[/ame]

[Denny]

I don't disagree that the cop could have explained better that signing the ticket was not an admission of guilt, but once the cop says step out and put your hands behind your back, it's time to stop talking and do what he says. And then to start walking back towards the car was the icing on the cake, IMO.

Legal, yes, but it was definatelty a poor execution of officer's discretion. We are given special responsibilities and authority for specific reasons. If we abuse them, we violate our vows and values. We lose relationships and trust with the public and our co-workers. We create more chaos, rather than promote the peace.

Can I write up everyone for going 10+ over the speed limit? Fuck yes! But say it is 5am, a guy just didn't pay too much attention to his speed and was in a bit of a rush to get to work (probably started the day off late or already fucked up and got behind). Pulling him over and giving him a little come to Jesus meeting after his apology and courteous explanation would probably yeild a driver driving the rest of the way to work at the posted speed limits and arriving safely without further incident. Writing him up would just add to an already screwed up morning, probably pissing other people off at work, maybe getting him and his wife in an arguement that evening over it. Taking away that $150 bucks that was going to go toward taking his family out to eat that weekend, etc...

See how that works? Thinking like that will not only maintain peace throughout the chain of events, but would probably build a good relationship with the PD and the public. Instead, it leads to people (I think) to leave the PD because "That's not the way to do things."

Fuck the system. Exercise good judgement and execution of discretion. Keep the peace. SERVE YOUR PUBLIC!

All aspects of bad situations like this disgust me more than most know. If everyone just took a little time to just fucking think about the other fucking person just trying to live their damned life like them and work together to get through each and every day, this world would be a better place for sure. Instead, we have too many hungry mother fuckers. Hungry for power, control, money, respect, fear, fame, etc.

Fuck you hungry mother fuckers!!!! Meet me in Guam and have a beer with me on the beach.

As soon as I stopped worrying about getting my peice of the pie, I started enjoying life a lot more WITH my family.

I fucking HATE the ways of this world, or social expectations and demands, our common judgement of each other based on material possessions/status/education/etc. rather than the basis of our character. I know most of you think I'm a fucking looney, but this looney has had it and done did something about it.

Stay classy

[talisman]

All aspects of bad situations like this disgust me more than most know. If everyone just took a little time to just fucking think about the other fucking person just trying to live their damned life like them and work together to get through each and every day, this world would be a better place for sure. Instead, we have too many hungry mother fuckers. Hungry for power, control, money, respect, fear, fame, etc.

I fucking HATE the ways of this world, or social expectations and demands, our common judgement of each other based on material possessions/status/education/etc. rather than the basis of our character. I know most of you think I'm a fucking looney, but this looney has had it and done did something about it.

Stay classy

Respect +10. Right there with you.

[Denny]

And another thing, while I'm on this soap box...

If a police officer wants to call in and not come to work because he's having a bad day, give him the day off!

[Chili]

Legal, yes, but it was definatelty a poor execution of officer's discretion. We are given special responsibilities and authority for specific reasons. If we abuse them, we violate our vows and values. We lose relationships and trust with the public and our co-workers. We create more chaos, rather than promote the peace.

Can I write up everyone for going 10+ over the speed limit? Fuck yes! But say it is 5am, a guy just didn't pay too much attention to his speed and was in a bit of a rush to get to work (probably started the day off late or already fucked up and got behind). Pulling him over and giving him a little come to Jesus meeting after his apology and courteous explanation would probably yeild a driver driving the rest of the way to work at the posted speed limits and arriving safely without further incident. Writing him up would just add to an already screwed up morning, probably pissing other people off at work, maybe getting him and his wife in an arguement that evening over it. Taking away that $150 bucks that was going to go toward taking his family out to eat that weekend, etc...

See how that works? Thinking like that will not only maintain peace throughout the chain of events, but would probably build a good relationship with the PD and the public. Instead, it leads to people (I think) to leave the PD because "That's not the way to do things."

Fuck the system. Exercise good judgement and execution of discretion. Keep the peace. SERVE YOUR PUBLIC!

All aspects of bad situations like this disgust me more than most know. If everyone just took a little time to just fucking think about the other fucking person just trying to live their damned life like them and work together to get through each and every day, this world would be a better place for sure. Instead, we have too many hungry mother fuckers. Hungry for power, control, money, respect, fear, fame, etc.

Fuck you hungry mother fuckers!!!! Meet me in Guam and have a beer with me on the beach.

As soon as I stopped worrying about getting my peice of the pie, I started enjoying life a lot more WITH my family.

I fucking HATE the ways of this world, or social expectations and demands, our common judgement of each other based on material possessions/status/education/etc. rather than the basis of our character. I know most of you think I'm a fucking looney, but this looney has had it and done did something about it.

Stay classy

I agree with all of that! And good for you for taking a step in that direction.. I have been contemplating a similar plan since I got laid off a few years back. Had to do some real soul searching after having to take a $30K a year pay cut. Comes down to the whole "live to work vs working to live" thing. One of these days I will find something to do that I actually enjoy AND pays the bills.. I would be fine with not owning all the coolest gadgets and driving old cars, to shed the stress and nonsense that so many of us have to deal with daily.

All that said, I still think that the driver carried more guilt as to escalating that situation.

He was arguing from the very first moment, based on the audio, wasn't trying really hard to get the cop his info because he was too worried about trying to argue. When the cop gave him the ticket he said he didn't know what he was getting ticketed for even though the officer already told him he was going too fast and they had already discussed the speed limit.

IDK, maybe it's just because I know that arguing with a cop on the side of the road is pointless, and failing to comply with commands is gonna hurt me far more than the officer. Take the ticket and plead my case in court.