Uppercut!

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You're going to lose your job if you put your hands on a "customer" in any situation. Companies simply won't accept the risk.

I'm sure that's the case in some instances. I'm also sure that's not the case in all instances. Nobody ever died from having their arm twisted and being walked out. People have died from taking a punch like that. I love ya Adam, but you're defending the indefensible. This guy had better options than how he chose to deal with it.

[orphan Shelby]

Dayum she took that well lol. Don't fuck wit da Return To Africa bus drivers in da bBishope state

[ThreeFingerPete]

I'm sure that's the case in some instances. I'm also sure that's not the case in all instances. Nobody ever died from having their arm twisted and being walked out. People have died from taking a punch like that. I love ya Adam, but you're defending the indefensible. This guy had better options than how he chose to deal with it.

I'm telling you that you're going to lose your job if you touch a customer in almost any job. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that it's been in every employee handbook I've ever seen. What part of that don't you get? I'm sure the guy is crying himself to sleep because he lost his shitty job, and I'm sure that he'll move on just fine. He'd have been fired for an arm lock, a judy chop, a five finger death punch of pulling her hair. Guaranteed.

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You're going to lose your job if you put your hands on a "customer" in any situation. Companies simply won't accept the risk.

I'm telling you that you're going to lose your job if you touch a customer in almost any job. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that it's been in every employee handbook I've ever seen. What part of that don't you get? I'm sure the guy is crying himself to sleep because he lost his shitty job, and I'm sure that he'll move on just fine. He'd have been fired for an arm lock, a judy chop, a five finger death punch of pulling her hair. Guaranteed.

For the sake of the argument, I won't dispute that that may be the case for "most" jobs.

So if we consider that a foregone conclusion, is it your conclusion that that justifies any physical reaction? "I'm going to lose my job anyway, I might as well put my thumbs through her eye sockets", right?

[SS Junk]

Perhaps this will clear up some of the blowardedness going on in this thread.

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Artis Hughes, a 22-year employee of the Regional Transit Authority in Cleveland, was named this afternoon as the bus driver in the now infamous "uppercut" videos showing him punching a female passenger and throwing her off the bus.

Hughes has been suspended pending the investigation and he and his union president have been notified, an RTA spokeswoman said.
The female passenger was identified as Shidea N. Lane, 25.

The RTA released the police reports on the incident, including statements by both combatants (see the full public report in the document viewer below).

Hughes told RTA police that he had been assaulted by the young woman, but declined to press charges, RTA officials said. Transit Police and Beachwood Police were both called to the scene. Lane also did not file a report or charges against Hughes at the scene.

Meanwhile, a pair of videos showing Hughes punching Lane -- landing an uppercut before literally throwing her out the bus door -- is going viral on YouTube and other similar sites. (See the a summary of the reaction in the Storify sidebar below)

Hughes was suspended soon after the story was reported today.

The RTA had earlier refused to release his name, citing a union agreement that required him to be notified first. The Plain Dealer had requested the name of the public employee under the state public records law.

Shaffer did say the fight happened on the No. 5 bus in Beachwood, Ohio, on Sept. 18, but that RTA did not view the video until Oct. 11 and then immediately suspended Hughes.

Meanwhile, the punch (#uppercut is trending on Twitter nationwide along with several related tags ) is the second incident in a bad week for the transit agency: A teenager stole an RTA bus early Thursday, drove it at least five miles and apparently crashed it before he was arrested, officials say.

But the pair of cell phone videos (so far) which have been posted on the internet showing an escalating verbal confrontation between the driver of bus number 2802 and female rider are getting news play virtually everywhere. (Warning: the video contains harsh language and violence).

Both videos show the woman yelling at the driver and then apparently striking him before the driver eventually leaves his seat and punches the woman in the face before tossing her from the stopped bus.


The woman returns to the bus, and the two continue to fight until they are broken up by other riders.

RTA officials first saw the extreme video on Thursday, but believe the incident took place on Sept. 18.

"Upon identifying the driver, he was immediately suspended and removed from duty," said RTA spokeswoman Mary Shaffer in an emailed statement. "His behavior is absolutely unacceptable. RTA apologizes to our customers for this incident."

The Plain Dealer will continue to update this story as details become available.

Plain Dealer staff contributed to this story.

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Below: The complete RTA police report on the incident. It is newspaper policy not to redact records which are available to the public.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/10/cleveland_bus_driver_punches_p.html

[Pooter]

For the sake of the argument, I won't dispute that that may be the case for "most" jobs.

So if we consider that a foregone conclusion, is it your conclusion that that justifies any physical reaction? "I'm going to lose my job anyway, I might as well put my thumbs through her eye sockets", right?

If someone puts hands on someone else, you cant expect it to go without any response/action. I never think its ok to hit a woman, and even in the same situation wouldnt have "hit" her, but her ass would be physically removed from the bus, which he would still get fired for anyway too. Calling the great old Cleveland PD in that case would have been pointless, and if she also had any friends/thugs on the bus could have escalated the attack on him also, not that his actions wouldnt have either. He just threw a 22 year career down the shitter for that cunt, so I'm sure hes all too aware of what his actions cost him.

Just as an example, if someone had put their hands on you on the bus would it go unchecked? Man or woman? Or what if it was someone's wife/kid? Doesnt have to go to an uppercut obviously, but cant let a physical attack continue, lol.

I'm just glad someone was quick enough to catch the video for our internet entertainment.

[ThreeFingerPete]

For the sake of the argument, I won't dispute that that may be the case for "most" jobs.

So if we consider that a foregone conclusion, is it your conclusion that that justifies any physical reaction? "I'm going to lose my job anyway, I might as well put my thumbs through her eye sockets", right?

I would consider that to be overkill. If he was dealing with multiple attackers, it wouldn't bother me a bit.

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Shidea is her name??? Hahahahahaha....

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If someone puts hands on someone else, you cant expect it to go without any response/action. I never think its ok to hit a woman, and even in the same situation wouldnt have "hit" her, but her ass would be physically removed from the bus...

Wade, I agree on all points. So much so that if you read this whole thread, I think you'll find that you and I are saying the same thing.

I would consider that to be overkill. If he was dealing with multiple attackers, it wouldn't bother me a bit.

I wholeheartedly agree here. Thing is, while its certainly not the same thing, I think ultramegauppercut is overkill as well. At the very least, if bus driver hero had dialed back his response he would have avoided the amber lamps infamy he's enjoying now.

As far as doing what it takes, if you're facing a group and are in serious danger, I'd have no problem wearing their eyeballs like a fist full of super bowl rings.

[ThreeFingerPete]

Wade, I agree on all points. So much so that if you read this whole thread, I think you'll find that you and I are saying the same thing.




I wholeheartedly agree here. Thing is, while its certainly not the same thing, I think ultramegauppercut is overkill as well. At the very least, if bus driver hero had dialed back his response he would have avoided the amber lamps infamy he's enjoying now.

As far as doing what it takes, if you're facing a group and are in serious danger, I'd have no problem wearing their eyeballs like a fist full of super bowl rings.

I doubt that the severity of his response will have much effect on his troubles. She wasn't permanently injured, and speculation isn't worth the time... being Union, I bet he might even keep his job. That'd never happen otherwise.

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I doubt that the severity of his response will have much effect on his troubles.

I suppose it depends on how you define "troubles", but I stand by my hair-brained theory that this wouldn't be news if he hadn't Ken and Ryu'd that bitch's jaw so well.

She wasn't permanently injured, and speculation isn't worth the time...

Hah, ok then. What have we been debating all day?

[jason07]

Shhhheeeeeeeetttttt them's fools be straight trippin!

[ThreeFingerPete]

I suppose it depends on how you define "troubles", but I stand by my hair-brained theory that this wouldn't be news if he hadn't Ken and Ryu'd that bitch's jaw so well.





Hah, ok then. What have we been debating all day?

I've been debating that a reasonable use of violence in self defense is warranted, and that you don't need to get your Boba Fet underoos wound up because although he didn't use his kung-fu grip, nobody was hurt badly and it won't matter much.

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Especially since, according to the article, both parties declined to press charges.

[dmh165638]

I really think right or wrong she received the only response that will keep her from pulling that crap again on any other bus.