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Looks as though cops hate people with golf clubs.
Was it justified? Discuss...
Was it justified? Discuss...
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Last edited by SS Junk; 12-29-2010, 10:47 AM. -
pigs like that deserve to get hit by an eighteen wheeler!_____________________________________________ -
No sympathy here.....police frequented the house before. Officers identified themselves several times and he still popped out while holding a golf club in a hostile manner. What did he expect the outcome to be?Last edited by Duncan; 12-29-2010, 12:52 PM.Comment
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They need to work on their cqb techniques. Don't fucking stop in the doorway to look a the guy on the ground, keep moving till the whole house is cleared.De Oppresso Liber.Comment
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They needlessly killed this guy.Comment
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I would expect this response from a someone who spends a great deal of their time saving lives. But i just don't see how this could have ended any differently given the circumstances. Maybe I am just shallow minded, or i may have spent too much of my time on dfwstangs continuously reading all the "stop breaking the law asshole!" nonsense.Originally posted by davbrucas View PostComment
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I took lives before going into this career...but this is an American citizen and not some foreign soldier/militiaman. A guy with a golf club is no threat to LEOs dressed in tactical gear. Taze his stupid ass...killing him is tantamount to legalized murder if you ask me. Now if he had a gun, blast away. Of course the LEOs in here are gonna come in here with their hypothetical scenarios, but the simple fact is the man was killed for holding a golf club when the cops entered his house. What is a man supposed to do when your front door is kicked in? When someone panics, they arent hearing the "Police, search warrant."Comment
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I agree with Dave here. They are in full armor, have him outnumbered heavily, there is no reason they couldn't have rushed the guy to get him to the floor rendering that club useless. In those confined quarters, he MIGHT have got one swing in, IF that considering he's standing in a corner and wouldn't have been able to get a full swing. I've personally taken someone down with a bat before that had plenty of room to swing and got him down successfully without getting hit. Armored officers could have easily done the same in a confined space.
This shooting was unjustified.Comment
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I can agree with this. But maybe the officer just caught a glimpse of an individual holding something up in the dark and reacted. Maybe its due to inadequate training .....who knows, there are just too many what if's. I have never had the police knock down my door but I am pretty sure I would not have acted in the same self inflicting manner he did, criminal or not. Based on the story given though, this wasn't the first time the police had visited this individuals home.Originally posted by davbrucas View PostComment
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I can see both sides here.
The person that was killed, having had numerous visits from the police, had to have known the routine. He shouldn't have expected anything less than what he got.
The police, in full entry gear, were adequately protected from a 5-iron wielding perp. If any of them testified that they though it was anything but a golf club, they should turn in their badge and weapon and trade them for a red and white cane. even in the crappy video, it was obvious that it was NOT a firearm.
If they knew it was a golf club a put three in his chest anyway, well that's easy...it was murder.
Good, sound judgment seems to have been absent on both sides in this situation."It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."Comment
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In this country, what he did is not punishable by death. Regardless of how many times cops had been to his house. Cops decided it was easier to just kill him rather than take him down and when the law supports this behavior I feel that just shows that we, as a country, are going down the toilet...closer and closer to a police state.Comment
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Disgusting, someone kicks in my door while I'm asleep I might would grab the first thing I see to defend myself with as well. LEO's have hard jobs for the most part but that shit right there was unnecessary.Comment
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15 men in suits and they are taken back by one man with a golf club.. The story states it was a little before 10pm so it's really not probable that he was sleeping. More likely cops didn't know how to deal in the situation(Weber County needs to work on it's training and procedures.) I feel like they should be held accountable for the lack of rational and training that the officers showed.
On the flip side of the story the guy really was on his third strike so.....If i was a judge he would be getting pretty high punishment which would probably get close to his life span. So on that point i guess i can say thanks to the guys that just lit him up to begin with.
blah blah blah Politics over every decision that's why everything sucks.Comment
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