Hot rod wrecks and catches fire

[Mach1]

Don't be a stupid shit! Trash comes in all colors.

LOL I know, I am not racist, I was surprised at the white boys acting like they did.

I have seen the situation I am speaking of first hand, pretty disgusting.

[Gear_Jammer]

I've pulled a few people out of cars after they had a bad wreck, but doing that when there are flames coming out of the hood would be a little frightening. Not that I wouldn't have done the same thing those guys did, but it adds a whole different element to the equation.

For you Dr's, EMT and firemen out there - was sitting the guy up with his legs out straight the way they should have done it? It seems that laying him down on the ground with his knees up would be the best for breathing, but he was also bleeding from his head. Any advise in case one of us happens upon a situation like that?

[90MarkVII]

Don't be a stupid shit! Trash comes in all colors.

This.

[90MarkVII]

I've pulled a few people out of cars after they had a bad wreck, but doing that when there are flames coming out of the hood would be a little frightening. Not that I wouldn't have done the same thing those guys did, but it adds a whole different element to the equation.

For you Dr's, EMT and firemen out there - was sitting the guy up with his legs out straight the way they should have done it? It seems that laying him down on the ground with his knees up would be the best for breathing, but he was also bleeding from his head. Any advise in case one of us happens upon a situation like that?

If at all possible, try very hard to keep the patient's head from rolling around. *IF* you have time and people, someone needs to be keeping their head in line with the spine, and try not to bend the spine.
*However* Situations like this rarely give you the luxury of time or resources, and they did what they could. For future reference, especially if there are significant head injuries, serious intrusion into the interior, rollover or anything else that indicates a serious mechanism of injury, it is best to lay them down, flat on their back, and someone maintain in-line until the medics/FD can show up with the correct gear.

[Strychnine]

I've pulled a few people out of cars after they had a bad wreck, but doing that when there are flames coming out of the hood would be a little frightening. Not that I wouldn't have done the same thing those guys did, but it adds a whole different element to the equation.

For you Dr's, EMT and firemen out there - was sitting the guy up with his legs out straight the way they should have done it? It seems that laying him down on the ground with his knees up would be the best for breathing, but he was also bleeding from his head. Any advise in case one of us happens upon a situation like that?

The did a pretty good job. I mean they pulled the dude from a burning car. Good on them! But yeah, I would have laid him down and stabilized right away... or even done it w/ him sitting.


Speaking from some NOLS wilderness medicine training here (going mostly from memory, not trying to be another DrGoogle)



Lay him down on his back and keep him still. Since you have two people one should get on the ground facing him (sitting at his head) and use their hands/knees to stabilize the neck and keep him from turning. (there's also a way to do it with him sitting up like that)

Start with the situation assesment

• Survey the scene for continuing hazards (fire, animals, etc)
• Determine MOI [method of injury] -ie. fall, crash, etc. Something like a trip and broken ankle obv doesnt necessitate immobilizing the spine
• Protect yourself (like from that blood)

Then do the patient assesment
ABCDE

• airway - clear obstructions
• breating - look, listen, feel
• circulation - assess, control life threatening bleeding
• disability - any chance of spinal injury?
• expose - expose any serious wounds
• (also, environment - assess environtmental life threats)

If you are not near help (ie. "Wilderness" where it's unsure when help will arrive) and know you'll be there a while then you start on the more extensive stuff

• Head to toe exam (look, listen, feel)
• A&Ox4 to check responsiveness... "person, place, time, events". The number of those they can answer accurately should give you a good idea of their mental state
• monitor and record vitals at regular intervals,
• gather patient history,
• SOAP note, etc for relaying to rescuers

For having first repsonders close by and on the way I'd say these guys did the best they could (except maybe the immobilization part). We definitley shouldn't armchair quarterback two good samaritans who pulled a guy from a burning car.



FWIW, from the HAMB thread:

a life long friend of the father reports the following, "Severely crushed/broken face, blood on brain, damage to T1 and T2 of spine, other undisclosed and undiscovered issues highly probable."

[46Tbird]

I noticed that the front suspension was completely ripped away. Some of those knockoff Mustang II front ends are super cheezy. I hope that's not what happened here.

[SS Junk]

Speaking from some NOLS wilderness medicine training here (going mostly from memory, not trying to be another DrGoogle)

Bullet points FTW!

[Pooter]

That car just came thru my work, saw the pictures of it after it was towed either back to the owners shop or house. We did the total loss appraisal. One of my guys in my office did worked the claim.

[Pooter]

FWIW, from the HAMB thread:

Also another quote from that thread...

rom Canadian Poncho/willys

dont know if this is old but what a waste
Who knows what fueled this latest Scott caused disaster. Either alcohol or meth or God only knows.

Speed? According to the man whose vehicle he first hit, he reportedly had stopped in the street which runs straight up the hill out of Cameo Shores. Stood on the gas (this car is basically without mufflers) and about 2-3 seconds later lost control, side swiped his car as he was headed down the street, hit a curb, launched the car into a concrete brick wall, hit the wall, took a section of it out, the car spun 180 degrees in the air and landed about 10' beyond where the car hit the brick wall, and 3' above street level on the side of a resident's steep front yard where it burned.
The car had over 1000 RWHP and tires that put most of it to work. In the short block he used to accelerate, he had to be doing over 60. At 3600 lbs. this car had a lot of stored energy to get rid of in a hurry. Had he been wearing the 5-point seat belt that's built into the car, he might have gotten out with a sore body and a bloody nose.
He's a licensed drag race driver. Regularly drives a dragster in the 9.0 sec break out class. He has to know full well what to do when a high powered car comes lose. Instinct should have taken over. I suspect this was no accident, I suspect there was intent. He could easily have taken out another human being.
In the end, my good friends (from kindergarten) got a real bad lesson in how not to raise a child. Love gone wrong. Verrrrrrrry sad.
On Aug 3, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Chris Toy wrote:
My close friend Harry Karsten's son Scott took Harry's Willys street rod for a joy ride. Wednesday of this week I believe.
Scott (52) isn't doing well. Severely crushed/broken face, blood on brain, damage to T1 and T2 of spine, other undisclosed and undiscovered issues highly probable.

[ulose]

what a waste...

[Rreemo]

That car just came thru my work, saw the pictures of it after it was towed either back to the owners shop or house. We did the total loss appraisal. One of my guys in my office did worked the claim.

So any idea what they paid on total loss for it?

[Phuck Phace]

Man that cage fucked his head up, pad that shit homey.

[Pooter]

So any idea what they paid on total loss for it?

Nah, its still not resolved, adjustor tried to run it as a '41 Willys with NO info, pretty obvious its NOT a real Willys or anywhere near stock.

Kind of funny, we actually ended up getting Ryan Dunn's Porsche also back when he wrecked.

Man that cage fucked his head up, pad that shit homey.

Dude wasnt wearing his seat belt... Bounced around in there a little bit, probably would have been ok had he been wearing it.

[stangin4lyfe]