Dr Burzynski (alternative cancer treatment doctor)

[CJ]

Lol. Calm the fuck down, dude. Youre wound the fuck up for no reason at all. Im not trying to take your guns away, so settle down. Are you capable of keeping a level head? My first reply to you in this thread said I'm not sold on anything. The post Yale responded to, said basically that autism cases started rising when more and more vaccines started being mandated. The facts are there. If you choose to ignore them, that's on you. I'm not trying to link anything together. I'm not a scientist, and neither are you. All I've said from the get go, which you either ignored or never saw, is that it's enough to be cause for concern, and raise eyebrows.


You can call me a conspiracy theorist all you want. No sweat off my back, because anyone that actually knows me, knows its far from the truth. Just like I could call you a gun an religion cleaning nutbag. That doesn't make it true, nor do I even think it. I used to think you were an intelligent dude. I dot know what your problem is with me, nor do I care. You can sit and spin for all I care, have a nice day, nutbag.

Personal insult, gun nut, personal insult, use to think you were intelligent, insult. Excellent discussion. I get pissed when people seem to blindly follow an ideal without any factual evidence and refuse to acknowledge it.

[bcoop]

Personal insult, gun nut, personal insult, use to think you were intelligent, insult. Excellent discussion. I get pissed when people seem to blindly follow an ideal without any factual evidence and refuse to acknowledge it.

And that's somehow different from the multiple personal insults you threw out from the start? I see. Double standards are a bitch, I suppose.


The gun nut is just a cheap dig, since you can't get it out of your head that I'm a conspiracy theorist, when you have no factual base to back it up. If you want to insult, I can do the same.


As previously stated, factual evidence is all over the place, and I will post links in a bit. Calm down, I'll get to it. All over me saying there is enough of a rise, close enough to mandated vaccines, to make one think. There is most certainly a cause for the rise. What it is, I don't know. It's not my job to figure it out. There are tons of theories. Some make more sense than others. I've said from the start that I'm not sold on anything. I don't just blindly follow what the FDA says, just because the FDA says so. I've seen first hand that they are no less crooked than any other government agency. Big business runs shit. Period.

[teal93derp]

Is there a resident Doctor with children on this site? I've found that you get a surprising answer when you ask a Doctor if they vaccinate their own children. In my experience with asking doctors this question outside of their office and just about vaccines in general, I've found more doctors do not vaccinate their own children even though they recommend you do it to yours. IMO if a lot of medical professionals don't do it to their own children then they obviously have a reason not to do it. From everything I have gathered from asking the professionals about vaccines, most have said "insufficient testing is done by vaccine manufacturers" and that's the number one response I have gotten from my own questioning. If this many professionals steer clear of vaccines it has to make me raise an eyebrow about the real facts we are not being told. After all Big pharma is a BIG $$$ BUSINESS and sick people = $$$$.

[8mpg]

Is there a resident Doctor with children on this site? I've found that you get a surprising answer when you ask a Doctor if they vaccinate their own children. In my experience with asking doctors this question outside of their office and just about vaccines in general, I've found more doctors do not vaccinate their own children even though they recommend you do it to yours. IMO if a lot of medical professionals don't do it to their own children then they obviously have a reason not to do it. From everything I have gathered from asking the professionals about vaccines, most have said "insufficient testing is done by vaccine manufacturers" and that's the number one response I have gotten from my own questioning. If this many professionals steer clear of vaccines it has to make me raise an eyebrow about the real facts we are not being told. After all Big pharma is a BIG $$$ BUSINESS and sick people = $$$$.

Id love to hear your statistics... How many doctors do you talk to outside of their office about vaccinating their kids? One?

[teal93derp]

Actually I've talked to quite a few outside their office, which is where I get the most common response that I posted earlier. I'm in the medical supply industry so I do get a lot of opportunity to speak with the pro's. Maybe it's just the one's that I talked to that are crazy... I don't know? All I know is what I've heard with my own two ears, and it sure doesn't gel with what we are commonly told/sold. That's really all I can say based on my experiences, it was definitely not what I expected to hear from the one's that were willing to discuss the issue.

[racrguy]

Id love to hear your statistics... How many doctors do you talk to outside of their office about vaccinating their kids? One?

Don't doctors and nurses have to go through rigorous vaccination and testing procedures on a regular basis?

Teal, why would doctors subject themselves to the vaccines they're so against if that were the case? After all, the rules for doctors regarding that are (I think) put in place by doctors.

[teal93derp]

Don't doctors and nurses have to go through rigorous vaccination and testing procedures on a regular basis?

Teal, why would doctors subject themselves to the vaccines they're so against if that were the case? After all, the rules for doctors regarding that are (I think) put in place by doctors.

I can't speak for all Doctors, but I can tell you what I've found in my own questioning of Doctors that were willing to discuss this issue with me. I have come across Doctors who wouldn't say anything except positive things about vaccines, and vice versa, so it's not a one sided deal. I'm just saying that in my experiences and questioning I've found I have more questions than answers surrounding the vaccine issue and have had answers both ways on it. Like I said earlier though, the one's that spoke to me outside their place of business that didn't vaccinate their children were very compelling and hard to just ignore and dismiss as some crazy ass Jenny McCarthy sympathizers. I don't know? All I can say is from what information I have gathered, and IMO it wasn't pleasant or reassuring what I heard.

[8mpg]

Don't doctors and nurses have to go through rigorous vaccination and testing procedures on a regular basis?

Teal, why would doctors subject themselves to the vaccines they're so against if that were the case? After all, the rules for doctors regarding that are (I think) put in place by doctors.

If you work in a hospital you do. We are essentially forced to get the flu shot every year, we have to be current on our Hepatitis B, Tdap, etc. And contrary to teal93turbo's perspective, most of the doctors are quick to get their yearly flu shots. If we dont, we have to wear a mask in all patient areas for the entire flu season which is damn near 6 months. I work with multiple doctors everyday and they are all vaccinated for the basics.

[YALE]

I can't speak for all Doctors, but I can tell you what I've found in my own questioning of Doctors that were willing to discuss this issue with me. I have come across Doctors who wouldn't say anything except positive things about vaccines, and vice versa, so it's not a one sided deal. I'm just saying that in my experiences and questioning I've found I have more questions than answers surrounding the vaccine issue and have had answers both ways on it. Like I said earlier though, the one's that spoke to me outside their place of business that didn't vaccinate their children were very compelling and hard to just ignore and dismiss as some crazy ass Jenny McCarthy sympathizers. I don't know? All I can say is from what information I have gathered, and IMO it wasn't pleasant or reassuring what I heard.

That's still anecdotal evidence at best. In reality, you're passing along hearsay from sheep.

[teal93derp]

That's still anecdotal evidence at best. In reality, you're passing along hearsay from sheep.

I don't consider Doctors who practice medicine every day sheep, but you're entitled to your opinion. It doesn't take much digging to find how many fuck ups the CDC has made over the years. I put my money where my mouth is. All three of my children have never been vaccinated and they are perfectly healthy. Ages 10, 7, and 2. You can call me a conspiracy theorist or whatever you like, but there are legitimate reasons and concerns why some doctors and parents avoid vaccinating their own children.

[racrguy]

I don't consider Doctors who practice medicine every day sheep, but you're entitled to your opinion. It doesn't take much digging to find how many fuck ups the CDC has made over the years. I put my money where my mouth is. All three of my children have never been vaccinated and they are perfectly healthy. Ages 10, 7, and 2. You can call me a conspiracy theorist or whatever you like, but there are legitimate reasons and concerns why some doctors and parents avoid vaccinating their own children.

Where do your children go to school?

[teal93derp]

Where do your children go to school?

Frisco ISD.

[racrguy]

How do you get them enrolled without having the required vaccines? Something in your story isn't jiving with reality.

[teal93derp]

How do you get them enrolled without having the required vaccines? Something in your story isn't jiving with reality.

The only thing that isn't jiving with reality is the bullshit these schools tell you. You can enroll your non vaccinated children in school with this form, but don't expect the school to tell you it exists. http://webds.dshs.state.tx.us/immco/affidavit.shtm

[CJ]

The only thing that isn't jiving with reality is the bullshit these schools tell you. You can enroll your non vaccinated children in school with this form, but don't expect the school to tell you it exists. http://webds.dshs.state.tx.us/immco/affidavit.shtm

Do you feel like you've achieved something knowing your children are susceptible to disease that will kill and maim them? I do not understand this idea that you're going to possibly save them from some completely unproven theory by making them 100% vulnerable to many disease that will kill them or destroy their lives.

http://www.dallasnews.com/health/columnists/nancy-churnin/20110328-texas-college-student-tries-to-save-others-from-meningitis.ece

Her parents made the decision for her as well.