My n***a

[ThreeFingerPete]

The fact that the guy has a bat or a gun with a license doesn't change my legal arguments whatsoever. Just because you're licensed to have the weapon you chose to use doesn't absolve you of any potential liability. If a CHL holder in that situation drives to the end of the block, gets out with it in his hands and starts walking up the street towards the other guys, he's just as wrong as the guy with the bat in the video. If the CHL holder drove to the end of the block, got out to look at the damage unaware that the guys were still coming after him, got attacked and ended up shooting 1 or more of then, the yes, he could potentially be cleared of all charges as that's clearly self-defense.

Read my last post. The last sentence of your post is exactly the situation I was explaining.

[roliath]

I was hoping not to turn this into an argument, I appreciate your comments though Pete and GJ.

[stevo]

I know I rather be the person on trial for shooting 7 stupid motherfuckers trying to kill me than one of the 7 stupid motherfuckers laying dead in the street.

Stevo

[Broncojohnny]

Anytime someone jumps on the hood of your car you floor the gas pedal and follow it immediately with the brake pedal. It is one of those golden opportunities that life doesn't often present.

[A+]

lol.
nothing like a bat to the face to put an end to your rage.

lmao @ them arguing after that fight, like their plan failed.

[8mpg]

Bullshit you don't. If you have a chance to avoid using deadly force, you have to retreat or else potentially face charges. Plus, legally speaking, I would argue that he wasn't threatened. As I previously mentioned, he was the one that drove off and was free to escape. Rather than do that, he jumped out of his car and went after them with a weapon.

§ 9.31. SELF-DEFENSE. (a) Except as provided in
Subsection (b), a person is justified in using force against
another when and to the degree he reasonably believes the force is
immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or
attempted use of unlawful force.
(b) The use of force against another is not justified:
(1) in response to verbal provocation alone;
(2) to resist an arrest or search that the actor knows
is being made by a peace officer, or by a person acting in a peace
officer's presence and at his direction, even though the arrest or
search is unlawful, unless the resistance is justified under
Subsection (c);
(3) if the actor consented to the exact force used or
attempted by the other;
(4) if the actor provoked the other's use or attempted
use of unlawful force, unless:
(A) the actor abandons the encounter, or clearly
communicates to the other his intent to do so reasonably believing
he cannot safely abandon the encounter; and
(B) the other nevertheless continues or attempts
to use unlawful force against the actor; or
(5) if the actor sought an explanation from or
discussion with the other person concerning the actor's differences
with the other person while the actor was:
(A) carrying a weapon in violation of Section
46.02; or
(B) possessing or transporting a weapon in
violation of Section 46.05.
(c) The use of force to resist an arrest or search is
justified:
(1) if, before the actor offers any resistance, the
peace officer (or person acting at his direction) uses or attempts
to use greater force than necessary to make the arrest or search;
and
(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably
believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself
against the peace officer's (or other person's) use or attempted use
of greater force than necessary.
(d) The use of deadly force is not justified under this
subchapter except as provided in Sections 9.32, 9.33, and 9.34.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1,
1994; Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 190, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.

If the guy believes that the naggers force is an immediate concern to protect himself

There was physical threats, not just verbal of violence

The nagger keeps walking after the car.

I would have pulled my gun when the fucker starts hitting my car and broke the window. I would have shot out the window before even driving down the street.

[Gear_Jammer]

There was physical threats, not just verbal of violence

Wrong. He attacked the car, not the person inside it, yet.

The nagger keeps walking after the car.

True. But 2 things are also true, first, the guy has a chance to get away and he chose not to do so. Second, the guy in the car starts going after the guy that punched his car. As I said before, at that point he becomes either and "actor" himself or it's mutual combat and he brought a gun to a fist fight.

I would have pulled my gun when the fucker starts hitting my car and broke the window. I would have shot out the window before even driving down the street.

Sure...feel free to take a chance of living in a prison cell for a while all over something like a dent on your car.

[8mpg]

Wrong. He attacked the car, not the person inside it, yet.



True. But 2 things are also true, first, the guy has a chance to get away and he chose not to do so. Second, the guy in the car starts going after the guy that punched his car. As I said before, at that point he becomes either and "actor" himself or it's mutual combat and he brought a gun to a fist fight.



Sure...feel free to take a chance of living in a prison cell for a while all over something like a dent on your car.

Some guy comes at me trying to attack me (through my vehicle door) with one of his homies trying to hold him back from a killing me in a psychopathic rage, yelling "go go go" to try and protect me from death...Im shooting.

[Gear_Jammer]

Some guy comes at me trying to attack me (through my vehicle door) with one of his homies trying to hold him back from a killing me in a psychopathic rage, yelling "go go go" to try and protect me from death...Im shooting.

Cross-bar Hilton here you come.

[Wicked SVO]

you guys took all of the fun out of watching it now lol. common sense and legalities ftl

-k

[Jimbo]

How is it that none of those guys went down? There were some pretty good connecting swings with that bat in there.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

How is it that none of those guys went down? There were some pretty good connecting swings with that bat in there.

3 things
- Aluminum bat has a bigger bark than its bite. It will bounce off of what ever its strikes.
- The defender is using a lot of one handed, off handed, and unstationary swings.
- The attackers are drunk, high, and jacked with adrenaline which allows the attackers to keep going. Same reason thing as getting shot/stabbed and still going. The adrenaline probably receded 1 to 5 min latter and they began feeling some pain.

[OreoStang]

It may be a repost but a great video none the less

[FATHERFORD]

As soon as those mother fuckers came up to my car and blocking my path standing in front of my vehicle the gun would have came out.

Those guys were raging and for all I know they have weapons. At that point I would have been in fear of my life and personal harm. Their reaction after seeing the business end of my gun would determine the next chapter in their life.

[Broncojohnny]

3 things
- Aluminum bat has a bigger bark than its bite. It will bounce off of what ever its strikes.
- The defender is using a lot of one handed, off handed, and unstationary swings.
- The attackers are drunk, high, and jacked with adrenaline which allows the attackers to keep going. Same reason thing as getting shot/stabbed and still going. The adrenaline probably receded 1 to 5 min latter and they began feeling some pain.

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