Cops in here - video of kid getting pulled over

[Big A]

the video stopped kind of abruptly. If anybody knows these kids or knows somebody who knows them, I think a welfare check is in order. Typical cop most likely murdered them and then planted weapons in the vechicle. Good odds are these kids are dead and buried in the middle of nowhere now.

See post #15, Blakeski's on it. lol

[Up0n0ne]

If you are in a position to potentially harm many other people, as anyone on a plane is, they damn sure can search if given cause. Flying is not an inalienable right, it is a privelage and service that is provided by private companies. You have every right to refuse to fly, and take a train or bus. By choosing to purchase a ticket and enter the airport, you have chosen to play by their rules. If you don't like their rules, then don't fly.

You do know the TSA is Gov't (Big Sis) right? And I don't think the private plane companies hired them.

Is that why they keep the planes so damn cold, to cool us off after cooking?

Possibly! lol

[stevo]

Well, in a totally different direction... he cannot refuse to show proof of vehicular insurance and vehicle registration. He would be required to verify the person driving was the person insured and owned the car. That would require an ID.

I feel that any fruits of a botched/mistaken/fraudulent stop shouldn't be used at all by law enforcement. If the cop pulls someone over thinking the license plate light is out but is wrong, I feel he has no right to give a ticket for, lets say, an expired inspection.

Stevo

[Big A]

You do know the TSA is Gov't (Big Sis) right? And I don't think the private plane companies hired them.

Yes, and sadly the airlines would never put any sort of protections in place simply because it would come out of their bottom line, even though it's a necessary evil at this point. Just like screening going into sporting events, it's optional to attend, as it is to fly, if you don't want to get screened then don't go.

I don't by any means like that society has come to this, and it doesn't help that they hire fast food rejects, but TSA screening is necessary, and has most certainly saved lives and will continue to do so. Whether as a deterent, or in catching them in the act.

[Big A]

Well, in a totally different direction... he cannot refuse to show proof of vehicular insurance and vehicle registration. He would be required to verify the person driving was the person insured and owned the car. That would require an ID.

I feel that any fruits of a botched/mistaken/fraudulent stop shouldn't be used at all by law enforcement. If the cop pulls someone over thinking the license plate light is out but is wrong, I feel he has no right to give a ticket for, lets say, an expired inspection.

Stevo

I have to disagree with you there, breaking the law is breaking the law, regardless of how a person is caught. Don't ride dirty, and you won't get a ticket.

[racrguy]

If you are in a position to potentially harm many other people, as anyone on a plane is, they damn sure can search if given cause. Flying is not an inalienable right, it is a privelage and service that is provided by private companies. You have every right to refuse to fly, and take a train or bus. By choosing to purchase a ticket and enter the airport, you have chosen to play by their rules. If you don't like their rules, then don't fly.

The same as you are by driving a motor vehicle, walking into a crowded mall, or any countless other places large numbers of people gather. Hell, if you took out a standard Walmart you'd get more people than you would if you managed to take down a plane.

I have to disagree with you there, breaking the law is breaking the law, regardless of how a person is caught. Don't ride dirty, and you won't get a ticket.

You think it's ok if an officer breaks the law himself, or does some shady stuff in order to find out if a person is breaking the law?

[YALE]

I have to disagree with you there, breaking the law is breaking the law, regardless of how a person is caught. Don't ride dirty, and you won't get a ticket.

Are all laws reasonable and just? Are all laws equally applied? Do all methods of redress regarding these laws provide equal protection in function, and not simply in theory?

4th Ammendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

More to your point:

http://supreme.justia.com/us/440/648/case.html

[Big A]

Are all laws reasonable and just? Are all laws equally applied? Do all methods of redress regarding these laws provide equal protection in function, and not simply in theory?

Nope.

Everything is subjective, but in the instance given, the officer's honest mistake doesn't cancel out the fact that the owner failed to maintain inspection, insurance, etc. The system is far from perfect, but I'm a purist when it comes to getting caught, if you fucked up you own up to it, and take the ticket that you earned.

I do realize that we need protection against illegal or immoral means of incrimination, but outside of entrapment or no good cops scheming to write tickets, I feel that if you're caught doing something wrong, it doesn't matter how you were caught. I hate hearing about very damning evidence not be allowed in court for whatever reason, the truth is the truth, regardless how it was obtained.

A murderer or child molestor shouldn't ever be spared jail time due to a technicality, if the facts clearly show that the crime was truly commited.

[YALE]

The kid's registration wasn't out, so he's under no further obligation to provide any more information to the officer. Check the link I posted.

Nope.

Everything is subjective, but in the instance given, the officer's honest mistake doesn't cancel out the fact that the owner failed to maintain inspection, insurance, etc. The system is far from perfect, but I'm a purist when it comes to getting caught, if you fucked up you own up to it, and take the ticket that you earned.

I do realize that we need protection against illegal or immoral means of incrimination, but outside of entrapment or no good cops scheming to write tickets, I feel that if you're caught doing something wrong, it doesn't matter how you were caught. I hate hearing about very damning evidence not be allowed in court for whatever reason, the truth is the truth, regardless how it was obtained.

A murderer or child molestor shouldn't ever be spared jail time due to a technicality, if the facts clearly show that the crime was truly commited.

[BttleFedC10]

Blue Mound cops are a joke. I got pulled over for my license plate light being too bright. Really? lol.

[03trubluGT]

the video stopped kind of abruptly. If anybody knows these kids or knows somebody who knows them, I think a welfare check is in order. Typical cop most likely murdered them and then planted weapons in the vechicle. Good odds are these kids are dead and buried in the middle of nowhere now.

O M G!

Where is your tin foil hat.

FYI, I always keep a shovel and crime scene cleaning kit in my car, along with my throw down gun, and several varieties of naroctics (weed, coke, heroin, crack) for planting.

This should end the argument as far as the officer having no PC:

Sec. 521.025. LICENSE TO BE CARRIED AND EXHIBITED ON DEMAND; CRIMINAL PENALTY. (a) A person required to hold a license under Section 521.021 shall 1) have in the person's possession while operating a motor vehicle the class of driver's license appropriate for the type of vehicle operated; and(2) display the license on the demand of a magistrate, court officer, or peace officer.(b) A peace officer may stop and detain a person operating a motor vehicle to determine if the person has a driver's license as required by this section.(c) A person who violates this section commits an offense. An offense under this subsection is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine not to exceed $200

The bolded text means an officer can make a stop just to see if the person holds a license.

[YALE]

Dang, lol!

[SS Junk]

Non-cops; if you had done nothing wrong AND the officer admitted it and still wanted ID, would you give it?

I have nothing to hide. I've been pulled over a fair share of times coming home late at night by cops just wanting to sniff around. Didn't bother me in the slightest. It always ended with nothing more than a "you have a good night and be safe."

On a different note, I was on a ride-along with a friend of mine who stopped a moving van that was crossing a double yellow line. They asked him a few questions and started walking away when dude started mouthing how he could do whatever/whenever he wanted, which brought cops back, search done in cab and he was cited for failure to maintain lane.

[TENGRAM]

looks fake.

[racrguy]

Nope.

Everything is subjective, but in the instance given, the officer's honest mistake doesn't cancel out the fact that the owner failed to maintain inspection, insurance, etc. The system is far from perfect, but I'm a purist when it comes to getting caught, if you fucked up you own up to it, and take the ticket that you earned.

I do realize that we need protection against illegal or immoral means of incrimination, but outside of entrapment or no good cops scheming to write tickets, I feel that if you're caught doing something wrong, it doesn't matter how you were caught. I hate hearing about very damning evidence not be allowed in court for whatever reason, the truth is the truth, regardless how it was obtained.

A murderer or child molestor shouldn't ever be spared jail time due to a technicality, if the facts clearly show that the crime was truly commited.

Speaking of having no reason for pulling someone over. On the way back from PA to TX while driving through VA a statey pulled me over for having a ball in the bumper of my truck. That's the only reason. How do I know this? Because I asked him. Gave him my information and had to ask him more than once why I was pulled over. He then started to sniff around and wrote me a ticket for tint. Keep in mind it was around 10 at night. I was guilty of driving with TX plates.