Ronny was the man...

[talisman]

I don't get the blind allegiance to former leaders. They all have their good points and their bad points. Reagan did some good stuff. He also did some stuff that probably did some serious damage to us as a country. I liked Reagan, even if I was only 12 when he left office. It's funny to watch some of you guys scramble to discredit someone elses opinion just because they weren't alive while you were. I'm sure you were all pouring over every paper and document you could find while he was in office, examining every step he made. Give me a break. Oh wait, this is the new post 9/11 America, where if you disagree or say someone had flaws you're unamerican and should "get out." I almost forgot.

[Moose242]

An education doesn't make you intelligent, it just means you are educated.



Hey look, you have an opinion, that appears to have been installed into you by liberal instructors.



Thanks for confirming what I said in my post, you have read about (and ~wrote~ about) history from the eyes of someone else. You have admitted that you take the word of someone else as the truth for something you did not experience yourself.


Stevo

Liberal professor? At Baylor? I'll let you know when I find one.


Also, how did you learn about it? Were you in Iraq? Were you in the presidential cabinet? Naw, you watched the news and read the paper. Your point about taking someone else's word as truth is invalid, as History is nothing more than a sequence of events recorded by an observer for all to learn from. Just because this event happened relatively recently does not mean that it cannot be speculated on and interpreted by different ways by different people.

[Moose242]

I don't get the blind allegiance to former leaders. They all have their good points and their bad points. Reagan did some good stuff. He also did some stuff that probably did some serious damage to us as a country. I liked Reagan, even if I was only 12 when he left office. It's funny to watch some of you guys scramble to discredit someone elses opinion just because they weren't alive while you were. I'm sure you were all pouring over every paper and document you could find while he was in office, examining every step he made. Give me a break. Oh wait, this is the new post 9/11 America, where if you disagree or say someone had flaws you're unamerican and should "get out." I almost forgot.

You are one level headed dude, and I feel that we see eye to eye on most subjects.

[Vertnut]

I don't get the blind allegiance to former leaders. They all have their good points and their bad points. Reagan did some good stuff. He also did some stuff that probably did some serious damage to us as a country. I liked Reagan, even if I was only 12 when he left office. It's funny to watch some of you guys scramble to discredit someone elses opinion just because they weren't alive while you were. I'm sure you were all pouring over every paper and document you could find while he was in office, examining every step he made. Give me a break. Oh wait, this is the new post 9/11 America, where if you disagree or say someone had flaws you're unamerican and should "get out." I almost forgot.

Never mentioned "un-American". It's like telling a Viet Nam vet (or any vet that saw action, for that matter) what the war was like in a nutshell. If you weren't paying for a 15% mortgage, or a 20% car note, don't tell me what you "read in a book". Fuck all that. I'm tired of 20-somethings trying to educate me on life, while daddy buys their education and toys. Pay a fucking bill or three before telling me what an evil POTUS Reagan was.



Rant off.

By the Baylor, you don't think there are liberal high-ranking officials out here that "teach"? Those that can't "do", teach.

edit- Your left-wing poster just crushed any credibility you might have had. Nice.

[Vertnut]

Liberal professor? At Baylor? I'll let you know when I find one.


Also, how did you learn about it? Were you in Iraq? Were you in the presidential cabinet? Naw, you watched the news and read the paper. Your point about taking someone else's word as truth is invalid, as History is nothing more than a sequence of events recorded by an observer for all to learn from. Just because this event happened relatively recently does not mean that it cannot be speculated on and interpreted by different ways by different people.

Sure it can...by libs, and college kids that don't know better.

[Moose242]

Sure it can...by libs, and college kids that don't know better.

Way to prove that you are an idiot.

Also, like my pops says, "until you sign the front of a paycheck, you will have no idea how business, the economy, or politics truly work."

I don't have it all figured out and will be the first to admit that, but you sure seem to have a great hold on things.

[cobrajet69]

You are one level headed dude,.....

More like, someone with a large spoon to stir the pot, actually.



David

[Vertnut]

Way to prove that you are an idiot.

Keep reading those books. It's getting you quite far!

[Moose242]

Keep reading those books. It's getting you quite far!

Uh, ok?

[talisman]

Never mentioned "un-American". It's like telling a Viet Nam vet (or any vet that saw action, for that matter) what the war was like in a nutshell. If you weren't paying for a 15% mortgage, or a 20% car note, don't tell me what you "read in a book". Fuck all that. I'm tired of 20-somethings trying to educate me on life, while daddy buys their education and toys. Pay a fucking bill or three before telling me what an evil POTUS Reagan was.



Rant off.

By the Baylor, you don't think there are liberal high-ranking officials out here that "teach"? Those that can't "do", teach.

edit- Your left-wing poster just crushed any credibility you might have had. Nice.

Your argument makes no sense. Reagan was better than Carter, so that makes him flawless? My dad served two tours in the Vietnam War. Did you? Did you graduate college? Just trying to figure out your apparent aversion to it, since I'm pretty sure you've talked about your daughter going to McCombs.

Most of your posts read like you're upset at a person younger than you having an opinion, which is asinine. I didn't see anyone trying to educate you, just pointing out obvious flaws that some people ignore with their star lit eyes. It isn't like you knew Reagan personally, so why the effort to put him on a pedestal? People and public figure worship, geesh...

[Vertnut]

Way to prove that you are an idiot.

Also, like my pops says, "until you sign the front of a paycheck, you will have no idea how business, the economy, or politics truly work."

I don't have it all figured out and will be the first to admit that, but you sure seem to have a great hold on things.

Are you really that stupid? Do you NOT know what I do for a living? Go ask your dad for some more wisdom. He seems to do really well, seeing all the toys he's bought you. Ask him about the Carter/Reagan era.

[talisman]

More like, someone with a large spoon to stir the pot, actually.



David

I'm actually quite serious. It bothers me when people can't look at both sides of a situation or person and admit that nearly anything quantifiable on this planet has both pros and cons. It's a childish fist pounding way to avoid having to think.

[Moose242]

Are you really that stupid? Do you NOT know what I do for a living? Go ask your dad for some more wisdom. He seems to do really well, seeing all the toys he's bought you. Ask him about the Carter/Reagan era.

I have no idea what you do for a living, nor do I care. You do not seem like a particularly smart guy or someone that I would enjoy getting to know.

Again, I have not said that he was a bad president, I just pointed out some flaws that everyone seems to think were either ok or not his fault.

My father is/was a fan of Reagan, and like I said, I do not think he was a bad president. I just don't put him on a pedestal or understand why others do.

[Vertnut]

Your argument makes no sense. Reagan was better than Carter, so that makes him flawless? My dad served two tours in the Vietnam War. Did you? Did you graduate college? Just trying to figure out your apparent aversion to it, since I'm pretty sure you've talked about your daughter going to McCombs.

Most of your posts read like you're upset at a person younger than you having an opinion, which is asinine. I didn't see anyone trying to educate you, just pointing out obvious flaws that some people ignore with their star lit eyes. It isn't like you knew Reagan personally, so why the effort to put him on a pedestal? People and public figure worship, geesh...

It's getting redundant now.

The young man pointed out negatives about Reagan. Like right out of a text book (or prof's mouth, lol). Talk about "one-sided"? I never said he was perfect, and he wasn't. He DID pull us out of a shit-hole, and pretty much destroyed the USSR.
I didn't serve in Viet Nam (too young), but it was an analogy. My point was that I can't imagine what it was like to be there, even with family trying to explain it.
I have no aversion to colleges at all. We are an educated family, which is how I know what kind of horseshit they pump into kids on campuses now. My youngest is his age (I'm guessing 22), and at least a few times a month I would laugh at the BS they would spew out in lectures. UT is pretty damn liberal, probably more-so than Baylor.

[CJ]

LOL, that's a huge liberal rag you just quoted. To someone uneducated, the 'facts' posted might appear to have some merit. The federal deficit fell from 6% of GDP in 1983 to 3.2% of GDP in 1987. The federal deficit in Reagan's final budget fell to 2.9% of GDP. The rate of growth in federal spending fell from 4% under Jimmy Carter to 2.5% under Ronald Reagan. Star wars (SDI) helped kill the Soviet Union - Soviet leaders cite this as one of the causes of the collapse. A military project so expansive in it's idea and execution it struck fear into every Soviet. Their attempt to match it helped crash their economy. And most importantly - federal spending - and the power of the purse is controlled by the House of Representatives - which was controlled by the democrats the entire two terms Ronald Reagan was in office. Some of the shit you posted is for narrow minded liberals, not for factual minded people. Those same people praise Carter and loathe Reagan - completely ignoring the fact that under Carter the economy tanked. Under Reagan it had an amazing recovery and strengthened to unseen levels. The facts simply bring those points to how nonfactual they really are.

I'm here for the factual arguments. Iran Contra is a legitimate scandal for Reagan, the rest of this is garbage. Reagan is and will always be a highly regarded president because of his idea, what he stood for, and what he accomplished. Just as Lincoln - he stood for something - an idea of a strong America - he did what he believed was right. It's that idea combined with success that makes presidents historical. Reagan had faults, but he had substantial successes, and he founded a premise that is proven. Do you regularly discuss premises founded by Clinton or Carter? Are there statues of them going up all around the world? Calling it blind allegiance is ignoring the accomplishments of Reagan. He's very highly regarded for a reason.