Boss 302 vs. Camaro SS

[Hell-Bent SS]

I know right....I guess everyone knows its BULLSHIT

[GAP]

I know right....I guess everyone knows its BULLSHIT

Or they just CANT come up with anything to save themselves.

[OrangeChevyII]

Mustang is #1........trade in for a Camaro

Camaro Still winning - Mustang sales not enough to sustain Flat Rock plant

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http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dl...306169874/1492

DETROIT (Bloomberg) -- Ford Motor Co.'s Mustang is falling farther behind the Chevrolet Camaro as the top-selling U.S. sports car, jeopardizing a Michigan factory as designers work to win back the hearts of pony car fans.

Ford narrowly lost the crown in 2010 after a 24-year run, and the gap widened this year, with General Motors Co.'s revived Camaro outselling Mustang by 33 percent through May.

The 1,700- person plant in Flat Rock, Mich., has just one shift of workers, and its Japanese partner decided last week to pull out.

"The Mustang on its current sales pace isn't enough to sustain Flat Rock," said Jeff Schuster, an automotive analyst with researcher J.D. Power & Associates. "The Camaro has a more modern feel and seems to draw more attention from a younger age group."

The second-largest U.S. automaker is working to increase production of V-6 engines while its designers prepare for a new version in 2014 to restore its cachet. GM started selling a convertible version of the Camaro this year and says the Mustang is one of the top trade-ins for the Chevy sports car.

"They have a huge, loyal base with the Mustang," John Fitzpatrick, the Camaro's marketing manager, said in an interview. "We are starting to chip away at that."

Adding to Mustang's misery, Mazda Motor Corp. said last week that it plans to pull its Mazda6 model out of the Michigan assembly plant where Ford also makes the sports car. Ford, which owns half of the factory, said it is working with Mazda and the UAW to explore options for the "critical" site.

Manufacturing 'options'

Not sharing the assembly line with Mazda will allow Ford to build more Mustang variations, said Steve Ling, the car's marketing manager.

"The flexibility that that provides is a good thing," Ling said in a June 14 interview, declining to give specifics on how Mustang production might change after Mazda leaves. "It's good to have options and that's what that scenario provides."

Even if Mustang manages to overtake Camaro, Ford will never sell enough of its muscle car to fill up Flat Rock, Schuster said. The factory has the capacity to build 240,000 vehicles a year, Mazda has said. Last year, Ford sold 73,716 Mustangs.

"Even with a boost from a redesign, because of what Camaro has achieved, you're still looking at sales volume for the Mustang below 100,000 a year," Schuster said. "The bottom line is something at Flat Rock will have to change."

Ford is to introduce a redesigned Mustang in 2014, said Brian Johnson, an analyst with Barclays Capital in Chicago.

Popular V-6

This year, Mustang sales have suffered because of a short supply of a new V-6 engine that gets 31 miles per gallon on the highway while generating 305 horsepower, Ling said. The Mustang shares that engine with the F-150 pickup, the centerpiece of Ford's top-selling truck line.

As rising fuel prices have driven up demand for the V-6 engine, Ling said Ford has chosen to apportion more supply to the F-150, among its most profitable models. The V-6 Mustang starts at a list price of $22,310, according to Ford.com.

"The V-6 powertrain that's shared with all of our hot products is really very popular right now," Jim Farley, Ford's global marketing chief, said in a June 9 interview. "We have a lower days' supply on Mustang, but we think that's the right way to run that business."

The V-6 engine shortage has left Ford with less than 30 days' supply of Mustangs, half the inventory it had a year ago, Ling said. Ford is now looking for ways to boost production of the V-6, which accounts for 51 percent of Mustang sales, up from 40 percent a year ago, Ling said.

"We're making sure that the truck has enough engines and obviously there is an impact to Mustang," Ling said. "The dealers feel we could sell more" if Ford had more V-6 engines.

Camaro rolling

GM is stepping up the pressure by updating the Camaro next month with a more powerful V-6 engine that gets 30 mpg on the highway, Fitzpatrick said. It also is updating the car's interior with new features like a smaller steering wheel, he said.

Rising gasoline prices and a stalling U.S. economy can't seem to slow down the Camaro, which went on sale in April 2009 after a seven-year hiatus. Camaro sales are up 4 percent this year, while Mustang is down 3 percent, according to researcher Autodata Corp.

"The Camaro is highly unusual in a segment that tends to be very fickle," said Jeremy Anwyl, chief executive officer of auto researcher Edmunds.com. "Normally a sports car that's really hot fades fast."

Maintaining interest

To keep interest stoked, GM will advertise around the movie sequel "Transformers: Dark of the Moon," debuting June 29 and again featuring a yellow-and-black Camaro as a crime-fighting robot, Ling said. The Camaro known as "Bumblebee" has been the ride of actor Shia LaBeouf in all three Transformer movies.

"The linkage to Transformers has really helped create and build the brand Camaro," Schuster said, "especially with young people."

Early next year, GM plans to roll out a ZL1 Camaro with a 550-horsepower engine, matching Ford's Shelby GT500 version of the Mustang that starts at $48,810, according to Edmunds.

"It looks like they clearly targeted the GT500," Ling said. Much is riding on Ford's 2014 redesign of the Mustang, which Ling declined to describe. By then, Camaro will be five years old and more than a year away from its own restyling in late 2015, Schuster said.

"As the Camaro starts to age and the Mustang is redesigned, that will heat up the battle," Schuster said. "We see the Mustang regaining its No. 1 position when it's redesigned, but it will be close."

[Whiteboy]

[QUOTE=Hell-Bent SS;295910]don't get me wrong i like those new mustangs ($40k), It was just hard watching that camaro($35k) have a couple car lenghts after the first turn and then all of a sudden the mustang gets the inside lane and drives away.Just sayin maybe it was a little bias.[/QUOTE


You can buy 5.0's brand new in the low 30's

[redrocket5.0]

A buddy of mine bought a 11 5.0 kona blue, awesome car. another buddy bought orange Camaro SS, Both stock, 5.0 walks all over the SS. 2 to 3 car lenghts. Camaro buddy buys magnuson blower, Almost 6k, long tubes, and a tune that came with blower, I then put full 3 inch on his car, I think it was overkill, but he insisted. Mustang guy puts 2.5 exhaust x pipe, and a Boss 302 intake and a small handheld tune in it. The outcome is way worse now, the 5.0 drags that SS's ass. I would be pissed after sinking all that money and the outcome is still getting his ass dragged by the Mustang. My 91 stays on the camaro's back bumper. lol.

[redrocket5.0]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

[SS Junk]

Camaro Still winning - Mustang sales not enough to sustain Flat Rock plant

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So this is your only argument? This bullshit has been going on since the beginning of time as to which is outselling the other. Even when the 4th gen. f-body was outperforming the Mustang sales were still stronger for Ford.
So yeah, if you can't successfully defend the Camero being a turd you have to turn to sales. Lame.
It's been proven this world is full of retards and it would seem those retards like the fact that there is significantly less leg room in the camero and enjoy A-pillars that are just slightly smaller than industrial load bearing beams.

[Sgt Beavis]

Camaro Still winning - Mustang sales not enough to sustain Flat Rock plant

True but I'm wondering how much that V6 shortage is affecting the Mustangs sales numbers.

BTW, why the hell doesn't Ford advertise the GT anymore? I still see the V6 commercials all the time (especially on the NFL Network) but I've never once seen a commercial featuring the 5.0.

Oh, and sales don't mean shit on the track...

[Bad A$$ Coupe]

[QUOTE=OrangeChevyII;296127]Camaro Still winning - Mustang sales not enough to sustain Flat Rock plant

next time i go out and buy a new car i will ignor all performance numbers and go with what is selling the most..........

[OrangeChevyII]

I'll disagree with the Camaro being a turd, I'll go by the cold hard facts of owning a "actual car" and not have the internet argument with people who post to just to see their name on the screne.

SSJunk, go buy a mustang and I'll go buy another Camaro and we can race. Deal?

Every single one of these competitions are made for one car or the other. This being said.......Get over it.

Another fact is 1fastvipper has one of these cars and mod for mod vs my car the pig was faster. Sorry. True story.....

[black90notch]

The driver of the BOSS was driving the Sh!t out of the car! Camaro driver was taking it too easy.

[Bad A$$ Coupe]

I'll disagree with the Camaro being a turd, I'll go by the cold hard facts of owning a "actual car" and not have the internet argument with people who post to just to see their name on the screne.

SSJunk, go buy a mustang and I'll go buy another Camaro and we can race. Deal?

Every single one of these competitions are made fopr one car or the other. This being said.......Get over it.

Another fact is 1fastvipper has one of these cars and mod for mod vs my car the pig was faster. Sorry. True story.....

yea, because everyone on here is going to go buy a new car to show you up...

http://www.grand-am.com/assets/CTSCCMfgPoints13.pdf

here you go, i like to go by what everyone else is road racing, and i have been a crew chife on this circuit for bmw, oh and these teams also get a crap load of support from the manuf.... and mustang did in fact kill everything untill the new V8 M3 showed up..... number dont lie player........ now i am sure you've owned fast cars..... but so have I and also crewed on fast teams from Baja 1000 to Grand AM..... Camaro is not all that! and pound for pound with regulated bolt ons on a pro team the camaros dont cut it


TRUE STORY!

[LS1Goat]

It cracks me up how people get bent over these types of videos. It reminds of the Chevy sponsored Rumble in the Rockies: Chevy vs. Ford towing and exhaust breaking tests. Take a wild guess who won.

See my point.

[OrangeChevyII]

Exactly

[Broncojohnny]

None of this matters, GM will be bankrupt again within a decade and it won't be saved this time either.