smile for the camera, officer!! wait, wait, OUCH!!!

[Vertnut]

No he didn't. The cop said do you live here, he said no.

I'm not saying there wasn't an implication but you are definitely adding to the facts.

What is different? Cop-"Do you live there?" Man-"No". A short time later, the guy says he DOES live there.

[Brandon-k]

The man told the cop he did not live in the house he was in front of, then changed his story.

False. He asked "Do you live here?" to which the gentlemen could have taken to mean the crime scene being investigated. He didn't really get a whole lot of time to explain himself...ya know...with the beating and all.

[Chili]

The man told the cop he did not live in the house he was in front of, then changed his story.

No he didn't. The cop said do you live here, he said no.

I'm not saying there wasn't an implication but you are definitely adding to the facts.

[Chili]

All of you FTP'rs need to join an MMA/BJJ gym. Almost every school around has an officer training there and you can beat them up in class and not go to jail. We've got 3 Garland police officers that I regularly get to abuse and choke the shit out of them.

I knew the statement below was full of BS:

...Again, you're the one bringing up the BJJ stuff, not me. I don't discuss here on this board anymore.

Lol

And no Steve, I don't have an issue with it either way, I just remember when I read the earlier post I was like "What?"

[Vertnut]

Didn't live where, the house that was broken into that the cops were going to or the neighborhood in general?

The man told the cop he did not live in the house he was in front of, then changed his story.

[Hobie]

My point I made (in post #15) was the guy spouting off that he didn't live there. It's not smart to lie to a cop that rolls up on a crime scene, he's going to wonder what else you might be lying about. He's already in a suspicious frame of mind.

Didn't live where, the house that was broken into that the cops were going to or the neighborhood in general?

[Hobie]

Doesn't LVPD have a history of murdering people? Guy is lucky a broken nose is all he got.

[Vertnut]

Hmmmmm...how does someone with a video camera in one hand (while the camera is pointed at the officer the whole time) grab another's shoulders? Seems impossible to me...

I don't understand the guys motive for telling the cop that he didn't live there. I'm not saying that would have avoided what happened, but it might have made a difference. Cooter - legally speaking, he would have been trespassing if that wasn't his property, unless the owner gave him consent. Unfortunately, the cop never thought to ask him whether he had consent. Again, I'm not saying that would have saved him a beating, but it might have made a difference.

Lastly, NEVER try and debate your "legal rights" with a LEO. They rarely know the intricacies of the law and more often don't give a crap. They are not lawyers or judges that have a chance to analyze the situation and make an informed decision - they are in the heat of the moment. I'm not saying that cops are ignorant or that they don't necessarily know criminal law, but as you all know, there are a lot of gray areas of law. The one thing I know is that it pisses LEO off. Just imagine someone coming to your work and telling you how to do your work. I know my initial reaction would be "who is this joker" regardless of whether they were right or wrong.

My point I made (in post #15) was the guy spouting off that he didn't live there. It's not smart to lie to a cop that rolls up on a crime scene, he's going to wonder what else you might be lying about. He's already in a suspicious frame of mind.

[Gear_Jammer]

In his arrest report, Colling wrote that Crooks grabbed his shoulders "and attempted to take me to the ground. I in turn took him to the ground."

Hmmmmm...how does someone with a video camera in one hand (while the camera is pointed at the officer the whole time) grab another's shoulders? Seems impossible to me...

I don't understand the guys motive for telling the cop that he didn't live there. I'm not saying that would have avoided what happened, but it might have made a difference. Cooter - legally speaking, he would have been trespassing if that wasn't his property, unless the owner gave him consent. Unfortunately, the cop never thought to ask him whether he had consent. Again, I'm not saying that would have saved him a beating, but it might have made a difference.

Lastly, NEVER try and debate your "legal rights" with a LEO. They rarely know the intricacies of the law and more often don't give a crap. They are not lawyers or judges that have a chance to analyze the situation and make an informed decision - they are in the heat of the moment. I'm not saying that cops are ignorant or that they don't necessarily know criminal law, but as you all know, there are a lot of gray areas of law. The one thing I know is that it pisses LEO off. Just imagine someone coming to your work and telling you how to do your work. I know my initial reaction would be "who is this joker" regardless of whether they were right or wrong.

[Steve]

Ha, yah a gym I roll at one of the guys does special classes for cops. Its pretty neat stuff to watch. Imagine what would have happened if the cop would have slapped him in a arm triangle or a crazy choke LMAO. Flying arm bar! jk

At least an arm triangle wouldn't have left any marks for the camera guy to dispute. Haha.

[Steve]

Ummm... awesome!!!!

DO you scream "stop resisting" while you do it?

No, but I have choked Junior to sleep while saying ..you have the right to remain silent... lol

[VaderTT]

All of you FTP'rs need to join an MMA/BJJ gym. Almost every school around has an officer training there and you can beat them up in class and not go to jail. We've got 3 Garland police officers that I regularly get to abuse and choke the shit out of them.

Ummm... awesome!!!!

DO you scream "stop resisting" while you do it?

[Cooter]

Damn, Forrest, I thought you knew better:

Sec. 9.31 Texas Penal Code:

(c)The use of force to resist an arrest or search is
justified:
(1)if, before the actor offers any resistance, the
peace officer (or person acting at his direction) uses or attempts
to use greater force than necessary to make the arrest or search;
and
(2)when and to the degree the actor reasonably
believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself
against the peace officer ’s (or other person ’s) use or attempted use
of greater force than necessary.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

would love to see the statistics on how many people resist excessive force and get away with it!

you know I'm not an FTP'er, but I have enough friends and family in law enforcement to get a good chuckle out of that!

[onemeangixxer7502]

All of you FTP'rs need to join an MMA/BJJ gym. Almost every school around has an officer training there and you can beat them up in class and not go to jail. We've got 3 Garland police officers that I regularly get to abuse and choke the shit out of them.

Ha, yah a gym I roll at one of the guys does special classes for cops. Its pretty neat stuff to watch. Imagine what would have happened if the cop would have slapped him in a arm triangle or a crazy choke LMAO. Flying arm bar! jk

[Steve]

All of you FTP'rs need to join an MMA/BJJ gym. Almost every school around has an officer training there and you can beat them up in class and not go to jail. We've got 3 Garland police officers that I regularly get to abuse and choke the shit out of them.