The roofing contractors have made it to my neighborhood.

[GE]

Roofers, some of the biggest scam artists in the world. Present company excluded.

[mikec]

So basically a 3 tab roof will not stand up to a EF0, seeing as they are only rated at 60 mph, and a 30 year, is rated 120-150 so that means EF2. I would think if you got any higher wind speeds then that, it would start sucking decking off. I noticed you said you did not like tamko. That is what is on my rent house. I had owens corning before, and had blow offs, because they did not seal properly. With this tamko roof, we have had 80 mph wind gusts and they have not moved. I noticed some shingles called Pabko I think that is what its called, anyways are those any good?

No clue on Pabko, sounds like a walmart brand. On Tamko, I have been told that they have really upped their game, and that may be true. I saw three houses about seven years ago with Tamko shingles and they all three had major problems with their roofs. Since then I haven't really cared for them.

On the OC, had you contacted your roofer he could have gotten a factory rep out there and had the roof replaced. This is part of what I offer as service. I WILL be there and take care of any issues like this.

Roofers, some of the biggest scam artists in the world. Present company excluded.

Lol! Thank you for the exclusion. I went to work briefly for Canopy, which is where I learned about some of the tactics used in the industry. I lasted two weeks because it was exactly like retail automotive. I despise not being honest with people and doing whatever it takes to get every last dime out of them.

[sspstang]

No clue on Pabko, sounds like a walmart brand. On Tamko, I have been told that they have really upped their game, and that may be true. I saw three houses about seven years ago with Tamko shingles and they all three had major problems with their roofs. Since then I haven't really cared for them.

On the OC, had you contacted your roofer he could have gotten a factory rep out there and had the roof replaced. This is part of what I offer as service. I WILL be there and take care of any issues like this.



Lol! Thank you for the exclusion. I went to work briefly for Canopy, which is where I learned about some of the tactics used in the industry. I lasted two weeks because it was exactly like retail automotive. I despise not being honest with people and doing whatever it takes to get every last dime out of them.

What I noticed, and I looked into every brand. I liked that Tamko is made in Dallas, Well the 30 years are, And the color was a lot richer looking then the rest. My 20 year OC roof, was 12 years old, about the max I hear for a 20 year roof. Anyways, it cracking, and really showing its age, before the hail storm we got. I had been up on the roof several times to blow the leaves off, and I noticed in the 8 years I lived in it, that they got worse and worse. Quick Roofing put on the last roof, and they are a pretty well known company here. The installed it right, it was just when we got around 60 mph winds, that they started to blow off. With this new Tamko 30 year we have on the rent house now, it has held up nicely. Our new house has god knows what. I am afraid of what the builder put on it, as I have heard of second shingles, and the cheapest shit you can buy being put on a new home. So far I have not had any leaks, knock on wood.

[Tyrone Biggums]

I got up on the roof yesterday afternoon and gave it a thorough inspection. The two pictures of damaged spots that the contractor showed me, which were supposedly everywhere, were the only two spots on the entire roof. These guys are real class acts. I hopped down to go warn my other two neighbors that had them look at their roofs as well and they got the same song and dance I did. Unfortunately, one of them has one of the contractors signs planted in his front yard now. I'm looking forward to my conversation with them when I call them out on what I found.

Anyways, thanks for all the info Mike. There is some very useful stuff there and should I need anything in the future, you will hear from me.

[sspstang]

I got up on the roof yesterday afternoon and gave it a thorough inspection. The two pictures of damaged spots that the contractor showed me, which were supposedly everywhere, were the only two spots on the entire roof. These guys are real class acts. I hopped down to go warn my other two neighbors that had them look at their roofs as well and they got the same song and dance I did. Unfortunately, one of them has one of the contractors signs planted in his front yard now. I'm looking forward to my conversation with them when I call them out on what I found.

Anyways, thanks for all the info Mike. There is some very useful stuff there and should I need anything in the future, you will hear from me.

See what I mean. Glad you found out the truth. GL to you.

[mikec]

I got up on the roof yesterday afternoon and gave it a thorough inspection. The two pictures of damaged spots that the contractor showed me, which were supposedly everywhere, were the only two spots on the entire roof. These guys are real class acts. I hopped down to go warn my other two neighbors that had them look at their roofs as well and they got the same song and dance I did. Unfortunately, one of them has one of the contractors signs planted in his front yard now. I'm looking forward to my conversation with them when I call them out on what I found.

Anyways, thanks for all the info Mike. There is some very useful stuff there and should I need anything in the future, you will hear from me.

And you would have had a no pay claim on your file. Which that guy wouldn't have cared about. And just pull the freaking sign up! They are temporary in nature. Expensive as shit though at about $14 bucks each!

GE is right, a lot of these outfits are total scammers. The difficulty is weeding through those guys to find the honest ones. Glad you got it sorted out man!

[Dan03mach]

MikeC pretty much nailed it on the head how door to door sales people are. Like Mike I also have a set price on my roofs, and I also only use Owens Corning or GAF. I don't go door to door to try to sale my product. To me it makes me feel like a vulture and that I am not.

[Tyrone Biggums]

And just pull the freaking sign up! They are temporary in nature. Expensive as shit though at about $14 bucks each!

I'll leave that up to him. If hadn't had to work yesterday, I could have warned him sooner. I'm sure he was very easy for them to convince though because the broad that lived there before him did absolutely nothing to take care of the home. It was the eyesore of the street. Gutters are shit and it wouldn't shock me if he really did need a new roof. He's made more of an effort to turn the home around in 9 months than she did in 6 years. I just hope they don't fuck him six ways from Sunday. I'll be watching.

[forbes]

i know i can vouch for mike's work, pricing, and timing.

[mikec]

i know i can vouch for mike's work, pricing, and timing.

Thanks Mark!

[cobrajet69]

I do.

Here is the low down on the roofer wanting to meet your adjuster:

It's a sales trick to make you feel beholden to the roofing contractor. The contractor tells you that "he is going to make sure the adjuster doesn't miss anything." In reality, after a storm, the adjusters are independents and paid a percentage of what he writes, so he is going to miss nothing. He will even pay you for the flower pots in your yard if they so much as have a chip in them. In times of non storm you are more likely to get a staff adjuster, who is more inclined to short you, if he can. So, right now especially, the contractor is out to help himself. It's not to work out a deal, as licenses can be lost on the part of the adjuster and that is just not worth the risk.

Signs: "Let me put this sign in your yard to make these other guys leave you alone." Your neighbors think you chose them and call them as well. Another sales trick.

Filing a claim: Another trick, this one designed to get every dime of your insurance scope/paperwork. Companies train their sales guys to get you to let them into your home with the intent of "taking you to the table." Don't do this. Many of these companies will promise you "the absolute best roof money can buy." Good people fall for this bullshit every day, I know of one on this board right now that did. I could have saved him a shitload, but too late now. Bottom line is that when a roofer comes to your door, ask him what his "per square rate" is. Mine is currently $195 a square on a 3 tab, and $225 on a dimensional, all in name brand shingles. These prices are already adjusted for the price increase from my suppliers taking place on the 16th of April. This gets you all new leaded boot jacks, new turbines or vents, felt paper, shingles, etc. I also have an above average labor warranty of five years, with almost all other roofing companies only offering two years. I can upgrade you to 30lb felt, vented ridge cap, Z-Ridge, or anything else you like.

If you want to avoid BULLSHIT sales games, and DO want a great roof and an honest contractor, call me. two14-417-2077. I don't play the bullshit games and will shoot you straight. If you see a particular feature on another roof, I have it too and will beat the other guys ass in pricing.


Gutters: I do those as well. The insurance companies generally pay about $4.20 a foot or so and I have a guy that I can get them from for $3.75, though I'm working on that price now. I have contractors available to do pretty much ANYTHING home related, from concrete to construction to remodeling to...

Any other questions on how it works, ask me.

Lastly, on deductibles, if anyone comes to your door and says that they will cover your deductible, they are committing a FELONY, as they are playing with insurance fraud by doing so. You are set up with a deductible for a reason. So watch that shit. My pricing is good enough that you will have enough left out of your scope to cover most of it, if not all of it. I am not after the entire scope, I am here to provide a fair price, excellent service, and great product. I install ONLY Certainteed, Owens Cornings, and GAF products. I do not install Tamko or Atlas or the other 'lesser' brands unless you specifically request those products.

And thank you guys for your votes of confidence. I've done board members roofs for about the last eight or ten years and have ZERO complaints from any of those guys.

Now that's one outstanding post!

Lay it out there - plane and simple.

Noted for future reference.


David

[sosoe]

Now that's one outstanding post!

Lay it out there - plane and simple.

Noted for future reference.


David

X2

[Unicorn Jeff]

Thanks Mark!

His name is Allan LOL

[Chas_svo]

Now that's one outstanding post!

Lay it out there - plane and simple.

Noted for future reference.


David

Exactly what I was thinking.

[mikec]

His name is Allan LOL

He signed my check last week with Mark. Now I'm confused.