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    I'm opposed. The AL Commander states why this is a bad idea, very well in my opinion.

    We all support different things, the AL is one thing I support whole heartedly. I've never disagreed with any of their views. 'cept how the support and then bash the VA hospital in the same breath.

    I thought this was an interesting topic after that one video about the death squad or whatever. Specifically FF's view on things that some thought was "out there." It's hard to be in an environment where nearly everyone probably wants to destroy you - and then show massive amounts of restraint. You'll probably just end up dead.

    Awarding medals to U.S. troops holding fire in a war zone will ultimately cost lives, national commander says.





    Calling a proposal to award U.S. troops medals for holding fire in a war zone "misguided," American Legion National Commander Clarence Hill voiced concern that overly restrictive rules of engagement would ultimately cost lives.

    "Nobody likes to see innocent civilians killed in a war zone but the blame for these tragedies lies with the terrorists who caused the war in the first place," Hill said. "The proposal to award medals for holding fire is troubling because it is symptomatic of a growing culture in the military that will punish troops for making split-second decisions while they are expected to defend themselves and their comrades. This proposal is an insult to our men and women in combat who already do an extraordinary job of exercising restraint. Too much restraint will get our own people killed."

    Hill also worried that rewarding those who don't use force sends the wrong message to those that do. "Vietnam veterans were outrageously slandered as ‘babykillers,'" he said. "This was tragic because the overwhelming majority of those who served there tried to prevent innocent casualties. Now, by awarding those who supposedly practice restraint, we would be implying that our heroes who have to fire their weapons are somehow failing in their mission or coming up short. It's a bad idea, and the Pentagon should kill it."
    Originally posted by MR EDD
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    Aren't there already awards for good conduct and gallantry? It seems like those would apply. Simply awarding medals for not killing civilians where possible could make the award pointless. Private: "Sarge, I didn't kill some civilians today." Sergeant: "Cool story, bro."
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Yale View Post
      Aren't there already awards for good conduct and gallantry? It seems like those would apply. Simply awarding medals for not killing civilians where possible could make the award pointless. Private: "Sarge, I didn't kill some civilians today." Sergeant: "Cool story, bro."
      I'd have to agree. Good conduct medal, not really. You just generally get that if you don't f'up. The other medals would apply. ARCOMs, AAMs...etc for something along those lines. (I'm prior Army, so I used Army medals as examples)

      Either way, discipline is important and should be enforced and that will take care of it all.

      Remember, COMBAT ARMs people are not cops. Hell, even in my basic training and AIT (which was Signal Corps), we were taught to light people up who had guns that wanted to shoot us. I was not an 11B and could turn pretty damned violent when we were training in that manner.

      I'm of the belief that if we're going to have MILITARY in these places, the locals and terrorists need to understand that they are military. You will get your ass blown off if a terrorist is hiding behind you....etc...etc.

      This police/peacekeeper shit never works at all. Especially of elongated time periods. I'm surprised our men/women are doing so well for so long with these missions.
      Originally posted by MR EDD
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      • #4
        Come the fuck on! I spent 6 years in with only 2 tours in fallujah and I had more shit on my chest than the avg ww2 grunt, and that's in the corps they seem to hand shit out like candy in the navy and af. Our military is becoming way too pussified.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SlowLX View Post
          Come the fuck on! I spent 6 years in with only 2 tours in fallujah and I had more shit on my chest than the avg ww2 grunt, and that's in the corps they seem to hand shit out like candy in the navy and af. Our military is becoming way too pussified.
          Get clusters (or whatever the call it in the AF) everyday you show up to work on time in the AF!
          Originally posted by MR EDD
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          • #6
            That's pretty much how they trained us for base defense when I was stationed in Korea.

            "If North Korea invades, we expect most of you will die."

            Then later at base defense training.....

            "NO! You can't shoot at enemey soldiers unless you are in danger!"


            Hmmm....I thought the presence of enemy soldiers on a fucking US Air Base meant I was in trouble?
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            • #7
              Do they want to win? Understand there will be casualties and get busy.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sean88gt View Post
                Do they want to win? Understand there will be casualties and get busy.
                Liberal political correctness has taken such a stranglehold on military policy and procedures that I doubt an actual "win" is even possible any more. Hell, the last truely decisive conflict we were invloved in was WWII.
                I don't like Republicans, but I really FUCKING hate Democrats.


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                • #9
                  Then we need a catalyzing event that will shock these pussies to the point of getting out of the way or joining the victory. Unfortunately, it will happen, the losses will be huge and it might come too late.

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                  • #10
                    Restrictive ROEs are bad enough. This thing with the awards takes a bad idea and multiplies it exponentially.

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                    • #11
                      This is exactly what I was talking about
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sean88gt View Post
                        Then we need a catalyzing event that will shock these pussies to the point of getting out of the way or joining the victory. Unfortunately, it will happen, the losses will be huge and it might come too late.
                        You mean like 9/11?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by LANTIRN View Post
                          You mean like 9/11?
                          No, it will have to be on a larger scale. As in life disrupting. Which would be completely preventable if the pussies could handle being the only super power. The Libs just seem to feel that we need to be balanced out with a blatantly un-American force.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by LANTIRN View Post
                            Liberal political correctness has taken such a stranglehold on military policy and procedures that I doubt an actual "win" is even possible any more. Hell, the last truely decisive conflict we were invloved in was WWII.
                            thats because we used "wobbly bombs". we need to go back to that.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KungFuHamster View Post
                              thats because we used "wobbly bombs". we need to go back to that.
                              lol @ wobbly bombs, never heard them referred to that way.
                              Originally posted by MR EDD
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