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  • Arizona considering $50 tax for smokers, obese

    I figured it would be just a matter of time for something like this.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42379077...th-health_care

    PHOENIX — Arizona's cash-strapped Medicaid program is considering adding a $50 tax on single patients who smoke, have diabetes or are overweight.

    Arizona Health Care Cost Containment program spokeswoman Monica Coury says the tax is intended to push patients to take better care of themselves.
    Coury says the issue is getting at the cost of health care while trying to stretch dollars and get people to take better care.

    "If you're not going to manage those things and take some personal responsibility, and in turn that costs the state more money, then you need to have some skin in the game," Coury said.

    One part of the proposal affects those with diabetes. Coury says patients with diabetes who fail to follow their doctor's orders to lose weight would be subjected to the $50 tax.

    State Sen. Kyrsten Sinema of Phoenix says it isn't fair to charge diabetics $50. Sinema says the fee fines people who may have medical conditions beyond their control.

    The changes are part of a major revamp of Arizona's Medicaid program to find funds to restore transplant coverage — eliminated amid much controversy last fall. Other changes include enrollment freezes that would reduce the number of people in the program by about 138,000 over the next year.

    The changes would save the state a projected $500 million to help close a $1.1 billion budget shortfall.

    The gradual reduction in enrollment — which would mostly affect childless adults — is about half of the enrollment rollback that Brewer previously included in her budget proposal for implementation later this year.

    But the total number of people denied coverage could reach 200,000 by 2014. Arizona's program has an enrollment of approximately 1.3 million.

    "The whole point of the governor's proposal is to preserve coverage to the greatest extent possible," said Monica Coury, assistant director of the state's Medicaid program, the Arizona Health Care Cost Containment System.

    Details on how the fee on smokers would be implemented remain to be determined, but options include relying on enrollees' statements and random audits, Coury said.

    "You need to be responsible for the fact that your smoking costs us more," Coury said.

    Brewer said her proposal is comprehensive enough to put the Medicaid program on solid long-term footing, so she is asking the Legislature to restore the cuts of coverage for certain transplants that have drawn sharp criticism. Approximately 100 people lost eligibility for coverage under those cuts.

    Democratic Rep. Anna Tovar, a past transplant recipient who has championed efforts to restore coverage, said Brewer should have reversed course on the issue months ago because the $1.2 million cost is affordable.

    "We don't need federal approval on that. The Legislature can do that separate and alone from the federal government," Tovar said.

    She expressed concern about the rest of Brewer's Medicaid proposal, saying it would harm people who couldn't re-enroll or enroll anew. The enrollment freezes, she said, "are very detrimental."

    Under the submission to the Department of Health and Human Services, the Arizona program's changes would generally take effect when its current authorization ends Sept. 30.

    HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius has already told Brewer that Arizona can reduce eligibility that now exceeds federal Medicaid minimums, and Brewer's proposal target those populations.

    However, federal approval is needed for various cost-saving steps such as co-pays and fees, and Brewer said Thursday she's counting on Sebelius' previous stated willingness to be flexible.

    "Your partnership is critical to my efforts to preserve Medicaid coverage for more than 1 million Arizonans," Brewer said in a cover letter to Sebelius.
    Federal action on Arizona's proposal could take months. "It does take a lot of back and forth," Coury said.

    Mary Kahn, an HHS spokeswoman in Washington, said the federal agency would not comment on Arizona's proposal except to cite Sebelius' previously statement that she'd work with state officials. She agreed that the process could take months.

    Besides needing clearance from HHS, another obstacle facing Brewer's Medicaid plan is the near-certainty of a lawsuit challenging eligibility rollbacks.
    Critics say reducing eligibility violates a state constitutional protection for a voter-approved ballot measure that increased eligibility.

    Kahn said she didn't know whether other states have proposed similar reductions of their optional Medicaid populations.

    Under Brewer's plan, most of those people who could not either re-enroll or newly enroll because of the enrollment freezes taking effect at various points this year would be eligible for coverage in 2014 under the federal health care overhaul.

    The freeze approach is preferable to abrupt cutoffs of eligibility that would occur under Brewer's previous proposal that became the basis for a Senate-approved budget plan, Coury said.

    Approximately 20,000 people now getting ongoing cancer treatment from doctors and hospitals could remain on the program, she said.

  • #2
    I can see being fat, but smoking? I smoke and have no health issues. What next? People who don't take care of themselves tax?
    Originally posted by Cmarsh93z
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    • #3
      Why not just let people pay for their own health insurance if they want it? Why am I paying for someone else's shit to begin with? Cancel all that crap.
      Originally posted by racrguy
      What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
      Originally posted by racrguy
      Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 347Mike View Post
        I can see being fat, but smoking? I smoke and have no health issues. What next? People who don't take care of themselves tax?
        So you choosing to smoke is better then someone who has health issues that makes it very hard for them to lose weight? Not all fat people are irresponsible. However, all smokers choose to smoke and you may be healthy now but long term chances are you won't be as healthy as you could had you chosen to not smoke. Same holds true for overweight people. What about people who choose to drink in excess or choose to do drugs, or choose to partake in extreme sports?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by mustangguy289 View Post
          So you choosing to smoke is better then someone who has health issues that makes it very hard for them to lose weight? Not all fat people are irresponsible. However, all smokers choose to smoke and you may be healthy now but long term chances are you won't be as healthy as you could had you chosen to not smoke. Same holds true for overweight people. What about people who choose to drink in excess or choose to do drugs, or choose to partake in extreme sports?
          Exactly, what about those people? Who is to know if I am a smoker or not or if I binge drink? What if I was to get depressed or something and drank myself retarded for a week straight, am I now responsible for paying extra?

          I agree with Al though. If that whole fucking article is about personal responsibility then take some responsibility and pay for your own shit.
          Originally posted by Cmarsh93z
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          • #6
            If I'm paying for EVERYBODY, in other words for my taxes then I agree. I'm not happy about paying for some dipshit who is a drain on the system because they are a lazy fuck and is in visiting the Doc every week because they cant help themselves live normally. As far as the people who have a serious health condition and cant help it, well then a case by case basis should be used. I work hard and keep myself healthy, so should everyone else that I pay for or at least make the effort. If they did this or paid for it in some way, then maybe they would change their ways.

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            • #7
              How about taking those cigarette taxes and putting them into healthcare instead of schools. Seems like that would make a bit more sense.

              As for the Obese, that is a harder one. Some are obese due to real medical issues like an overactive thyroid. Most, of course, are fat asses due to laziness and lack of any kind of decent diet.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
                Why not just let people pay for their own health insurance if they want it? Why am I paying for someone else's shit to begin with? Cancel all that crap.
                Exactly if I use my insurance more than the norm I should pay more. If I don't use my insurance at all it should be cheaper. Off topic but it's the same with school taxes if I have no kids I expect someone wtih 4 kids to pay 4x what I pay. Pay as you go.

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                • #9
                  Be nice if the state/federal...etc...etc governments did not piss away the taxes to begin with.
                  Originally posted by MR EDD
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by midnight View Post
                    Exactly if I use my insurance more than the norm I should pay more. If I don't use my insurance at all it should be cheaper. Off topic but it's the same with school taxes if I have no kids I expect someone wtih 4 kids to pay 4x what I pay. Pay as you go.
                    Agreed.
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                    • #11
                      The slippery slope gets slicker every day.

                      Stevo
                      Originally posted by SSMAN
                      ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sgt Beavis View Post
                        How about taking those cigarette taxes and putting them into healthcare instead of schools. Seems like that would make a bit more sense.

                        As for the Obese, that is a harder one. Some are obese due to real medical issues like an overactive thyroid. Most, of course, are fat asses due to laziness and lack of any kind of decent diet.

                        On average, those who have better educations are far far less likely to smoke. Probably not the main reason, but one of the reasons they push cig tax to education.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by stevo View Post
                          The slippery slope gets slicker every day.

                          Stevo
                          quoted for truth.

                          That slope now has a coat of teflon on it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sgt Beavis

                            As for the Obese, that is a harder one. Some are obese due to real medical issues like an overactive thyroid. Most, of course, are fat asses due to laziness and lack of any kind of decent diet.
                            thyroid condition does not change the laws of physics, conservation of energy. Thyroid condition makes people lethargic. It does not just produce fat. If you know you have this condition you should push yourself to eat less or exercise more.
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                            • #15
                              That they are targeting single adults is bullshit. Ive made peace with that i have to pay school taxes even though i dont have kids, but having to pay some "sin" tax while the next person who is married and chain smoking Marlboros gets off scot free...you can kiss my ass. Apply it to everyone or to none. Fuck anyone who says otherwise.

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