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    What is your guys opinion on this? Just found this article.



    After a pair of stopgap funding measures, Washington is getting ready to play hardball on the government budget. Both sides have drawn clear lines in the sand, and April 8 looms as the day when government buildings could be officially locked, government employees told to stay home and all non-essential services could grind to a halt. Whether the shutdown lasts a few days or a few weeks, your portfolio will feel the impact. And you need to start preparing now...

    Too many uncertainties
    Investors crave certainty. Yet this is an especially murky time. Key questions need to be asked. Will Japan's economy go into recession as its government tackles the economic effect of the current crisis? How will the Middle East play out (and what will happen to oil prices)? Will more European economies need a bailout? How will the U.S. markets handle the end of the Federal Reserve's second round of quantitative easing (QE2)? [I also wrote earlier about how investors' record levels of borrowing on margin could bring the market crashing down...]

    The market has climbed a "wall of worry" in recent quarters, but the wall keeps getting higher. A government shutdown, though, is the most tangible of any of these threats and you need to assume a worst-case scenario -- simply because that's what the large herd of investors do in times of uncertainty.

    What it means
    The timing of a shutdown could not be worse -- from an investor's perspective -- as it is scheduled to start just a few days before first-quarter earnings season begins. You can expect any company that derives a significant chunk of revenue from Uncle Sam to take a cautious view, anticipating that a prolonged shutdown would keep them from coming even close to second-quarter forecasts.

    In the defense sector, this includes names like Northrop Grumman (NYSE: NOC) and General Dynamics (NYSE: GD). Major projects such as shipbuilding have already been slowed by the temporary funding measures, and these defense contractors have warned that any more stoppages would lead to missed deadlines and, eventually, cost over-runs.

    In the technology sector, companies such as Computer Sciences (NYSE: CSC), Hewlett-Packard (NYSE: HPQ) and Cisco Systems (Nasdaq: CSCO) have always relied on the government for anywhere between 5% to 30% of revenue. Even the auto makers rely on the government for a decent portion of their fleet sales.

    There are many small and mid-cap firms that have grown nicely in the past decade on the heels of an increasing amount of outsourced government work. The list is far too long to mention, but this is a good time to go over all of your holdings to see how much of their business is derived from government contracts.

    This time is different
    As the April 8 deadline looms, you may see reports in the financial press that former Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich's late 1995 showdown with then-President Bill Clinton, which led to two work stoppages, barely nicked the market. That's because Gingrich was generally seen to be playing a weak hand and could not hold out for long. Indeed those two stoppages lasted only one and three weeks, respectively, and the GOP eventually blinked. That was partially due to the fact that the U.S. budget gap was already shrinking and headed for surpluses on its own within a few years.

    Yet the current crisis is far more significant, and major changes are likely to occur to achieve an outcome. On one side, there is a push to make major spending cuts that would yield a smaller government. Deficits are indeed odious, but they have been a stimulating force for the economy as the government puts more money into the economy than it takes out.

    On the other side is the view that taxes will need to be raised as part of any long-term budget fix. Here again, the recent era of tax cuts has been a real plus for the stock market, as they have put more money into the hands of businesses and consumers. So no matter the outcome -- less spending, higher taxes, or both -- this has to be seen as a near-term negative for the economy and the market (even though it is essential that we close the budget gap).

    This is not about balancing a budget; it's about eventually paying down massive debt. The only way to do that is to run budget surpluses, as happened in the late 1990s. That era of surpluses helped fuel a robust economic expansion (and an eventual market bubble) as interest rates came tumbling down. Yet the size of the deficit is now so much larger, rates are already at historic lows and the remedies will be so much more severe that a happy repeat of the late 1990s is no sure thing.

    Action to Take --> OK, off with the Chicken Little hat. The sky is not falling. The U.S. economy has proven remarkably resilient to past crises, and in a few months, the possible government work stoppage could be a distant memory. But the next few weeks promise to bring plenty of stomach churning as consumers and companies alike watch the government possibly grind to a halt. That mood would hardly be a positive backdrop for stocks.
    Originally posted by Cmarsh93z
    Don't Fuck with DFWmustangs...the most powerfull gang I have ever been a member of.

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    Piss on 'em. Shut it down for about a month as far as I care. At least they won't be spending money.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Vertnut View Post
      Piss on 'em. Shut it down for about a month as far as I care. At least they won't be spending money.
      I am invested in one of the companies listed in that article..... lol That is what I am concerned about, I can care less about the other factors.
      Originally posted by Cmarsh93z
      Don't Fuck with DFWmustangs...the most powerfull gang I have ever been a member of.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by 347Mike View Post
        I am invested in one of the companies listed in that article..... lol That is what I am concerned about, I can care less about the other factors.
        It would just be affected short-term. It would be fine after they throw their little tantrums.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Vertnut View Post
          It would just be affected short-term. It would be fine after they throw their little tantrums.
          Yeah, that is what I am thinking. I will probably pull my funds at the end of the week and give next week a break.

          The stock is supposed to be going up though over the next few months, I wonder how this is going to play into all of this. I guess this is the joys of the market..
          Originally posted by Cmarsh93z
          Don't Fuck with DFWmustangs...the most powerfull gang I have ever been a member of.

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          • #6
            Shut it down.... Time to play hardball....

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Vertnut View Post
              Piss on 'em. Shut it down for about a month as far as I care. At least they won't be spending money.
              Congress would, however, exempt themselves from any shutdown by virtue of considering themselves "essential". Thus, they will continue spending money regardless.
              Last edited by The King; 03-30-2011, 11:43 AM.

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              • #8
                Bring on the shutdown.

                A shut down saves money so I am ready. If that is the only way we can get these fucktards to stop spending then I am all for it.

                As for the market, everyone knows this is coming. I don't see much uncertainty but we'll see what happens.
                Originally posted by racrguy
                What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
                Originally posted by racrguy
                Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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                • #9
                  I'll be the first to admit that I'm far too lazy to read these long winded articles you guys post up. But in the end... what would be the point? To the shutdown, I mean. Is that going to help somehow? Obviously if they aren't running then they aren't spending but... this just seems rather foolish. "We can't fix it so we give up" is the general feel I get from this.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Vertnut View Post
                    Piss on 'em. Shut it down for about a month as far as I care. At least they won't be spending money.
                    Yeah, thats about it. I remember not much came of it when Newt shut it down for a week because of Clinton in the 90's.

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                    • #11
                      How much will we save per day with the "government shutdown;" even though everyone will keep getting social security checks?

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                      • #12
                        Constitutional government will still function. Some entitlements and discretionary programs may get fucked but it will provide for some great ghetto videos.

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                        • #13
                          Shut that bitch down!!!! It may not stop all of the spending but it'll sure help with some of it.

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                          • #14
                            Nothing will happen. This shit happens all the time; one side threatens to do something the other doesn't want, they piss and moan on CNN for a few days, and then the day before the "deadline" they all come to some kind of compromise. Just like what happened a few days ago when they were going to shutdown the government.

                            If the Republicans shutdown the government, that means precious federally funded programs that they like, which benefit their home state, will cease to be funded. That will cost them votes. They won't let it happen. Everyone bitches about government overspending until proposed cuts affect them, then it's an "essential" service and should be left alone.
                            I don't like Republicans, but I really FUCKING hate Democrats.


                            Sex with an Asian woman is great, but 30 minutes later you're horny again.

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                            • #15
                              Wow, the sound bites I'm hearing are ridiculous.

                              "According to a reporter from the Washington Examiner, Schumer told his fellow Democrats to make sure and tell the press that the GOP is refusing to negotiate, and he told his colleagues they needed to label the GOP spending cuts as “extreme.”

                              " the budget bill would result in the deaths of at least 70,000 children who depend on American food and health assistance around the world."

                              "Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) said today that the new Republicans elected to the House of Representatives last November came to Congress "to kill women." She also likened Republican efforts to prohibit federal funding of abortion except in cases of rape, incest or where the life of the mother is endangered to actions taken by Nazis."
                              I wouldn't think that compared to the $3.7 trillion current budget, $ 61 billion would be so villified. Heck it would take a ton more cuts just to get back to the bloated spending of just two years ago.

                              Harry Reid is apparently saying everything from republicans want to hurt children, hurt cowboy poets, to..... they don't want clean water.

                              Obama announced: “J.T. said if he could speak directly to all of us in Washington, he'd tell us that all of this political grandstanding has effects as it trickles down to normal, everyday Americans. There is no reason why we should not be able to complete a deal, unless we've made a decision that politics is more important than folks like J.T. Henderson.”
                              Apparently this guy just adopted an ethiopian kid and his wife is in med school, how does he get to bitch about a delayed refund check ruining his life and the president picks it up as a talking point regarding "normal americans"?
                              Last edited by Jimbo; 04-08-2011, 08:20 AM.

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