No thread on the army kill squad?

[big_tiger]

They let their country go to shit, stay shit, and we come in to clean it up, because shit got on us. What they did was wrong, but don't get shit on us, and make us come clean it up!

I am sure troops see civilians help the taliban all the time, and can't do shit about it. These crazy fuckers took it upon themselves to do something.

[Pro88LX]

You guys win, bomb everyone we disagree with! Keep complaining about that national debt, too.

DUDE. You're a 20 year old dipshit stoner from Coppell who is living on mommy and dadddy's tit, and has NO real world life experience. You NEVER have anything positive to add to ANY thread. Just shit the fuck up and go away already. Fuck.

[YALE]

Whoa. What happened up in here?

[Forever_frost]

DUDE. You're a 20 year old dipshit stoner from Coppell who is living on mommy and dadddy's tit, and has NO real world life experience. You NEVER have anything positive to add to ANY thread. Just shit the fuck up and go away already. Fuck.

I thought as much. He's fresh out of high school with all the ideology of a liberal. Dont' worry, he'll grow up. I hope. And if we weren't handing welfare out to illegals or handing out welfare at all (it's a violation of the constitution) then we wouldn't have near the issue on our debt.

[ELVIS]

Chris= +1

Slowhand= -0

god bless.

[ceyko]

I thought as much. He's fresh out of high school with all the ideology of a liberal. Dont' worry, he'll grow up. I hope. And if we weren't handing welfare out to illegals or handing out welfare at all (it's a violation of the constitution) then we wouldn't have near the issue on our debt.

Yeah, just like the people who shop at the Galleria will grow up too.

In regards to Clinton, that dude was a genius of sorts. Hell, he went kicking and screaming into the Balkans (massive war crimes and such going on there).

1. I'm not sure I can blame him 100%, it was supposed to be a UN thing. Which as usual turns out to be mostly a US thing.
2. Even though he did not WANT to help them, they LOVED him. He was on billboards and everything. When Bush came in and gave it up to the EU they about rioted in the streets.

[KBScobravert]

I thought as much. He's fresh out of high school with all the ideology of a liberal. Dont' worry, he'll grow up. I hope. And if we weren't handing welfare out to illegals or handing out welfare at all (it's a violation of the constitution) then we wouldn't have near the issue on our debt.

I am far from fresh out of high school, far from a liberal, I hate welfare, I hate illegal imigration into America, I did not vote for Obama, I hate big government and I am a proud American, a proud Texan, a proud Marine. What do you want to blame my views on?

I still stand behind the fact that killing civilians on purpose who posed no threat, can not have been proven to cause a threat, were not witnessed or proven to be in collaboration with Anti-Coalition Forces; is still murder and not consistent with the American fighting soldier. Anyone who thinks that it is justifiable for what this man was convicted for and the others accused of; please state your background in this reason. I would almost be willing to put next month's paycheck on the fact that no one on this board has spent as much time in this region dealing with these Afghanis, working with our troops, and actually having a finger on the pulse here.


The only incident I consider a casualty of war is when innocent civilians were not the intended target of our ordnance. Understand that civilians hosting a meeting of taliban figure heads are now in collaboration and therefore not innocent. Civilians paid to store caches are not innocent. Civilians paid to plant IEDs are far from fucking innocent. Civilians working on our bases drawing maps and conducting low level espionage and intelligence gathering is not innocent. Civilians caught with GSR on them or residue of bomb making materials, are not innocent. Civilians actively engaged in efforts to defraud the American Government and people are not innocent. Can you prove that any of the above was not the case of the Afghanis these American Soldiers plotted to kill?

Just as I will stand behind a troop, I will also stand behind an innocent civilian because 1) I am a human being 2) I am an American 3) I believe in being fair and impartial.

I write all this and feel this way as I am in Afghanistan right now. Where are you at where you think that killing civilians on purpose is justified? (that question is not directed to you Forest, I get your hate)

[Forever_frost]

I am far from fresh out of high school, far from a liberal, I hate welfare, I hate illegal imigration into America, I did not vote for Obama, I hate big government and I am a proud American, a proud Texan, a proud Marine. What do you want to blame my views on?

I still stand behind the fact that killing civilians on purpose who posed no threat, can not have been proven to cause a threat, were not witnessed or proven to be in collaboration with Anti-Coalition Forces; is still murder and not consistent with the American fighting soldier. Anyone who thinks that it is justifiable for what this man was convicted for and the others accused of; please state your background in this reason. I would almost be willing to put next month's paycheck on the fact that no one on this board has spent as much time in this region dealing with these Afghanis, working with our troops, and actually having a finger on the pulse here.


The only incident I consider a casualty of war is when innocent civilians were not the intended target of our ordnance. Understand that civilians hosting a meeting of taliban figure heads are now in collaboration and therefore not innocent. Civilians paid to store caches are not innocent. Civilians paid to plant IEDs are far from fucking innocent. Civilians working on our bases drawing maps and conducting low level espionage and intelligence gathering is not innocent. Civilians caught with GSR on them or residue of bomb making materials, are not innocent. Civilians actively engaged in efforts to defraud the American Government and people are not innocent. Can you prove that any of the above was not the case of the Afghanis these American Soldiers plotted to kill?

Just as I will stand behind a troop, I will also stand behind an innocent civilian because 1) I am a human being 2) I am an American 3) I believe in being fair and impartial.

I write all this and feel this way as I am in Afghanistan right now. Where are you at where you think that killing civilians on purpose is justified? (that question is not directed to you Forest, I get your hate)

Actually, I was referring to Luke. I don't think killing civilians is fine. But I do think considering someone a civilian when they shoot at you and when you get close and they throw their weapons down yelling "Civilian!" is Bullshit. Put a bullet in their head and move on. War should be waged as Sun Tzu said it should. Swift and terrible

[KBScobravert]

Actually, I was referring to Luke. I don't think killing civilians is fine. But I do think considering someone a civilian when they shoot at you and when you get close and they throw their weapons down yelling "Civilian!" is Bullshit. Put a bullet in their head and move on. War should be waged as Sun Tzu said it should. Swift and terrible

Thank you for the post Forever_frost. I see that we agree on everything you stated I just want to make sure that "innocent" is a defined. I agree 100% that if I witnessed you actively engaging in an act of aggression my response will be proportionate plus some in an effort to defeat your act. If you are shooting at me and put your weapon down at your feet and your hands up; you are an enemy and a combatant, your weapon fell because I shot you.

War is waged against enemies and not civilians. War intentionally waged against civilians is an act of terrorism. That is the act of a coward.

[Forever_frost]

Precisely. If we take fire from a building, we should level the building, no questions asked. Call in an air strike and eventually they'll stop doing it. If someone points a rifle at you, shoot them first, shoot them last and shoot them until they are no longer a threat.

Call it the head injury or call it the PTSD or maybe even the infantry training, but I am a firm believer in not defeating our enemies, not nation building, but destroying them..

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Actually, I was referring to Luke. I don't think killing civilians is fine. But I do think considering someone a civilian when they shoot at you and when you get close and they throw their weapons down yelling "Civilian!" is Bullshit. Put a bullet in their head and move on. War should be waged as Sun Tzu said it should. Swift and terrible

None of our current wars are being fought as Sun Tzu would fight them. That's a whole other thread, but I'm really frustrated with how poorly we're fighting these wars. It's not the best use of our fighting men.

[YALE]

Precisely. If we take fire from a building, we should level the building, no questions asked. Call in an air strike and eventually they'll stop doing it. If someone points a rifle at you, shoot them first, shoot them last and shoot them until they are no longer a threat.

Call it the head injury or call it the PTSD or maybe even the infantry training, but I am a firm believer in not defeating our enemies, not nation building, but destroying them..

That's attrition. That's not how Sun Tzu operated. It's been proven to fail, time and again.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

This has absolutely nothing to do with the 'prettiness' of war; collateral damage is entirely separate from what these soldiers did and what forever_frost is condoning. PTSD must be a real bitch, because his (those of several others in here) moral compass is way the fuck off.

To this I would have to say something like

I mean seriously... what did you expect? Take it down to its simplest level. A bunch of guys with guns are going around telling a bunch of religious zealots what to do. Could there be any other outcome? Yeah, fingers are going to get cut off. Hell, they're going to get blown off. It all just comes to me a no surprise.

[KBScobravert]

To this I would have to say something like

I mean seriously... what did you expect? Take it down to its simplest level. A bunch of guys with guns are going around telling a bunch of religious zealots what to do. Could there be any other outcome? Yeah, fingers are going to get cut off. Hell, they're going to get blown off. It all just comes to me a no surprise.

I searched and there is nothing in any Army manual that gives the troop the idea that he should be cutting off fingers. Did you find that information in a manual that I may have never seen somewhere?

[Forever_frost]

I'm pretty sure that isn't in there. I've been looking through my old FM's.