No thread on the army kill squad?

[Forever_frost]

Does smoking hash count? Morlock has admitted to that also. He has implicated the others in doing the same. There was another one of the bunch to speak out and as soon as I can find the article I will post it up also. It will be a much more reliable source than that shit rag rolling stone.

I agree that terrorists should be tried by the military courts. As far as troops being subject to UCMJ (this may sound douchebagish but) we have a volunteer army and nobody forced them to join. As a Marine I knew that I was subject to UCMJ and what that means as far as my rights if I violated it.

Yes war does make you do bad things but good NCO's should be there to keep younger men in line who can not control their urges (read Psychopath / Sociopath). If you want to argue that the Army and the war/deployments made them Psychopaths or Sociopaths then they also failed to seek Army help to correct their ways before they committed these crimes.

Hommie I understand your hate, having gone through and surviving what happened to you, I am sure I would have a lot of hate in my heart for this region of the world too. But i would not be committing crimes that I knew there were consequences for.

You won't find me arguing against this. At all. However the Army trains us to kill and destroy. Our basic societal boundries are overwritten and we're taught these aren't people, they're targets. You have to be a sociopath for multiple deployments and not off yourself. Often, soldiers DO seek help, but are continued be put on deployment. Hell, they tried to send me back with a 7.62 round in my frontal lobe. Our sword has gotten blunted with time and the only solution is to make this war fierce, horrible and swift.

Oh, I have no hate for any of them. Too many medications to feel hate. At least too terribly often. However I see what they do to my brothers, I watched them slaughter my friends and had the blood of my brothers on my hands all the while protecting 'innocents.' Fuck that. Air bomb the entire country and then send in clean up crews. Fuck nation building. We pay enough to the UN. Let them do it.

[KungFuHamster]

Same could be said about any accused. If an accusation is a conviction, a lot of people are in trouble. We try out service members in military courts where their rights to discovery and against self incrimination is severely curtailed, yet Obama wants to try the terrorists in civilian courts so they get all the benefits civilians have. Fuck that.

Unless these guys were out beating children in the heads with their rifles while smoking crack, I'm going to tend to side with them. War makes you do bad things, and you have to get in touch with that side if you want to handle repeated deployments. Don't like what they're doing? Withdraw us.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

LOL @ all the people who think war is going to be pretty.

[samuel642000]

Does smoking hash count? Morlock has admitted to that also. He has implicated the others in doing the same. There was another one of the bunch to speak out and as soon as I can find the article I will post it up also. It will be a much more reliable source than that shit rag rolling stone.

I agree that terrorists should be tried by the military courts. As far as troops being subject to UCMJ (this may sound douchebagish but) we have a volunteer army and nobody forced them to join. As a Marine I knew that I was subject to UCMJ and what that means as far as my rights if I violated it.

Yes war does make you do bad things but good NCO's should be there to keep younger men in line who can not control their urges (read Psychopath / Sociopath). If you want to argue that the Army and the war/deployments made them Psychopaths or Sociopaths then they also failed to seek Army help to correct their ways before they committed these crimes.

Hommie I understand your hate, having gone through and surviving what happened to you, I am sure I would have a lot of hate in my heart for this region of the world too. But i would not be committing crimes that I knew there were consequences for.

I don't, they don't give our troops a military trial, they behead us, burn us, drag our fallen through streets etc... I believe we should follow the same rules our enemies follow. Then, if you want to dismember U.S. Troops, wait until we get ahold of you....

[Slowhand]

LOL @ all the people who think was is going to be pretty.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the 'prettiness' of war; collateral damage is entirely separate from what these soldiers did and what forever_frost is condoning. PTSD must be a real bitch, because his (those of several others in here) moral compass is way the fuck off.

[mikec]

This has absolutely nothing to do with the 'prettiness' of war; collateral damage is entirely separate from what these soldiers did and what forever_frost is condoning. PTSD must be a real bitch, because his (those of several others in here) moral compass is way the fuck off.

Until you walk a mile in his shoes, or another soldiers shoes that has been on the front lines, you're talking out of your ass and have no real clue...


And I don't condone it either, just saying. Though I really don't have an issue with it as you don't know whether they were civilian non combatants or not.

[Machx2]

Yeah since the news would never spin it, the bad thing is we weren't there, we don't know the enitre story only what the media puts out. I agree the war trophies is wrong, however how do you know they weren't armed before throwing their weapons down and yelling CIVILIAN. If they (terrorists) were so worried about civilians getting killed they would wear uniforms, they don't for a reason.

Are you current or prior military?

I am prior. The terrorists aren't the country.... Of course they don't care about civilians, They are there to kill civilians also. So does that make them and these soldiers one in the same? Yes the media may spin some aspects, however one has already been to court and was found guilty.

[Slowhand]

Until you walk a mile in his shoes, or another soldiers shoes that has been on the front lines, you're talking out of your ass and have no real clue...


And I don't condone it either, just saying. Though I really don't have an issue with it as you don't know whether they were civilian non combatants or not.

I don't have a clue, you're right. And neither I nor anyone else in here is in a position to make a judgement on what those soldiers did. What he's saying and condoning, however, is entirely fucked up and inhumane beyond the scope of this specific case.

I understand you may have rage and I understand you make think all of these ragheaded fucks are the devil and you've been sent by Jesus himself to exterminate them all, but they're still fucking people and he seems to think that our military forces should be judge, jury, and executioner of anyone they deem supportive of or involved with the insurgents.

[bcoop]

I understand you may have rage and I understand you make think all of these ragheaded fucks are the devil and you've been sent by Jesus himself to exterminate them all, but they're still fucking people and he seems to think that our military forces should be judge, jury, and executioner of anyone they deem supportive of or involved with the insurgents.

Why the fuck not? Who really gives a shit? These men are put in a position to kill, or be killed. Not just put in the position, but trained, heavily, for that specific purpose. You can't send men in to war, to fight a war, and do battle, while being mindful of civilian casualties. That's not the way it should work. The rules of engagement are so fucked up these days, it's a wonder they can win a poker game, much less a war.

War is ugly. People die. Some civilians, some terrorists, etc. It fucking happens, period. That's why war should always be the last resort. You can't send these guys in to do a job, and handcuff them with bullshit like the Geneva convention, ROE, etc. You either want your men to win, or you don't. It's bullshit that these fucking people should have to put up with that, risk being killed, kidnapped, beheaded on camera for their family and friends to see, etc. And make fucking peanuts while doing it, to boot.

Screw all that nonsense. Kill them all, and let God sort em out. As someone else pointed out, these guys don't wear uniforms for a reason. They WANT Americans killing their civilians. They WANT the media jumping on stories like this. They WANT this shit to be sensationalized by the media. It furthers their cause, and doesn't do them one damn bit of harm. I guess my "moral compass" is all fucked up, but I don't have an ounce of compassion for the enemy. They don't have any for our soldiers, so why the fuck should we have compassion for their little raghead future terrorists? It's war. They are the enemy, and they need to be exterminated. Period. End of story.

[Slowhand]

Why the fuck not? Who really gives a shit? These men are put in a position to kill, or be killed. Not just put in the position, but trained, heavily, for that specific purpose. You can't send men in to war, to fight a war, and do battle, while being mindful of civilian casualties. That's not the way it should work. The rules of engagement are so fucked up these days, it's a wonder they can win a poker game, much less a war.

War is ugly. People die. Some civilians, some terrorists, etc. It fucking happens, period. That's why war should always be the last resort. You can't send these guys in to do a job, and handcuff them with bullshit like the Geneva convention, ROE, etc. You either want your men to win, or you don't. It's bullshit that these fucking people should have to put up with that, risk being killed, kidnapped, beheaded on camera for their family and friends to see, etc. And make fucking peanuts while doing it, to boot.

Screw all that nonsense. Kill them all, and let God sort em out. As someone else pointed out, these guys don't wear uniforms for a reason. They WANT Americans killing their civilians. They WANT the media jumping on stories like this. They WANT this shit to be sensationalized by the media. It furthers their cause, and doesn't do them one damn bit of harm. I guess my "moral compass" is all fucked up, but I don't have an ounce of compassion for the enemy. They don't have any for our soldiers, so why the fuck should we have compassion for their little raghead future terrorists? It's war. They are the enemy, and they need to be exterminated. Period. End of story.

Having compassion for the enemy and carpet bombing the entirety a country we invaded are two very different things.

[bcoop]

Having compassion for the enemy and carpet bombing the entirety a country we invaded are two very different things.

They didn't hesitate to fly a couple commercial jets in to buildings occupied by thousands, did they? This war could have been won without a single American casualty, or even an American soldier stepping a single foot in to Afghanistan. That's the way it SHOULD have happened. Other countries used to fear America. We've become so liberal, so PC, and so worried about the what ifs, that NOBODY fears America anymore. Not even Canada. So then you get crazy fucks like Kim Jong Il, and Ahmedinajad (sp?) openly challenging us because they know we aren't going to do a damn thing about it. You start dropping bombs on people that attacked the USA first, murdering hundreds of thousands, people tend to think a little harder about what comes out of their cum dumpsters.



Didn't think so....

[Slowhand]

They didn't hesitate to fly a couple commercial jets in to buildings occupied by thousands, did they?



Didn't think so....

Shit, I was unaware that the people of Iraq did that. Must have called Congress together and had a vote on it, no? If you're linking this all back to 9/11 then why aren't we in Saudi Arabia and the UAE scalping civilians, raping women, and eating the brains of babies?

[bcoop]

Shit, I was unaware that the people of Iraq did that. Must have called Congress together and had a vote on it, no? If you're linking this all back to 9/11 then why aren't we in Saudi Arabia and the UAE scalping civilians, raping women, and eating the brains of babies?

Did you read the article? Where are you getting Iraq from?

[Slowhand]

Did you read the article? Where are you getting Iraq from?

My comments had absolutely nothing to do with the article, I expressly stated that. I'm referring to forever_frost's comments about air bombing all of, pardon me, Afghanistan, and then sending cleanup crews in and the sort.

[Slowhand]

They didn't hesitate to fly a couple commercial jets in to buildings occupied by thousands, did they? This war could have been won without a single American casualty, or even an American soldier stepping a single foot in to Afghanistan. That's the way it SHOULD have happened. Other countries used to fear America. We've become so liberal, so PC, and so worried about the what ifs, that NOBODY fears America anymore. Not even Canada. So then you get crazy fucks like Kim Jong Il, and Ahmedinajad (sp?) openly challenging us because they know we aren't going to do a damn thing about it. You start dropping bombs on people that attacked the USA first, murdering hundreds of thousands, people tend to think a little harder about what comes out of their cum dumpsters.



Didn't think so....

I just don't see how the indictment to death of an entire nation of people is justified in the face of the actions of a few hundred not directly related parties.