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  • Military pay stoppage.

    My apologies is this is a repost. I found this elsewhere and thought it was a pretty intense subject if it were to actually happen.



    U.S. troops could be required to report to work without pay if a budget clash in Congress results in a government-wide shutdown, according to draft planning guidance circulating in the Pentagon.

    A shutdown could happen as early as next week, as the government is set to run out of money at midnight March 17. A bill that would keep the government operating temporarily has been prepared in the House of Representatives, but it is not clear when or if it might pass.

    The government has been operating under a series of temporary appropriations, known as continuing resolutions, since Oct. 1 because of lawmakers’ inability to agree on how much money to provide federal agencies. Budget discussions have become increasingly complicated since the November general elections resulted in a divided legislature, with Republicans controlling the House and Democrats controlling the Senate.

    When the government was shut down in 1995, military personnel continued to report to work and were paid, but the planning guidance sent to the services and defense agencies says a shutdown this time will be different.

    “All military personnel will continue in normal duty status regardless of their affiliation with exempt or non-exempt activities,” says the draft planning guidance that was prepared for the services and defense agencies. “Military personnel will serve without pay until such time as Congress makes appropriated funds available to compensate them for this period of service.”

    DISCUSS

    • Possible pay stoppage

    Troops would miss a payday only if the shutdown continues through April 1.

    Defense civilian workers would be divided into two categories. “Essential” employees would be required to report to work even though they will not be paid; “nonessential” employees would be furloughed, according to the memo.

    Troops and essential civilians who report for work without pay would receive back pay when government funding is restored. But whether furloughed civilians would receive back pay could depend on whether Congress specifically authorizes that, according to congressional aides who have been doing their own shutdown planning.

    The memo, prepared in early March but never formally issued as guidance, attempts to spell out what defense missions would shut down and what would stay open in the event funding stops.

    • Military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan will continue, including preparations for any units scheduled for deployment.

    • Operations necessary for national security, safety of human life and protection of property will continue, but operations that don’t meet one of those three criteria will be “shut down in an orderly and deliberate fashion.”

    • Recruiting offices, processing centers and basic training will remain operational.

    • Emergency repairs and maintenance that cannot be deferred will be done on base facilities and housing.

    • Medical and dental facilities will remain open, although elective surgery and procedures will be postponed. Suicide, substance abuse counseling and crisis intervention will continue.

    • Dependents schools and education centers for service members will be open for use by private agencies for courses for which payment already has been made.

    • Dining halls, gyms and child care centers will stay open.

    • Base exchanges may remain open because they operate using nonappropriated funds. But commissaries, which are supported by taxpayer funds, may be closed, although the memo says military personnel might be assigned to replace furloughed civilians so the grocery stores could remain open.



  • #2
    Hmmm. interesting. But i havent heard of anything here at my squadron.
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      • #4
        The world will move on. They will get their back pay. The whole thing is not going to collapse.

        While it will suck, it may be a necessary evil to get our economy back on track. We need the MASSIVE spending cuts to go through

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        • #5
          The military will get paid. Don't give it a second thought.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 8mpg View Post
            The world will move on. They will get their back pay. The whole thing is not going to collapse.

            While it will suck, it may be a necessary evil to get our economy back on track. We need the MASSIVE spending cuts to go through
            How would you like to work for a month, pay your bills for a month, and not get a months worth of pay?

            Maybe they should start with welfare.. and politicians redic salary.

            Although I know we are getting paid, seems like a pretty shitty place to start thinking about not paying people. You know the ones who earn their check.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by samuel642000 View Post
              How would you like to work for a month, pay your bills for a month, and not get a months worth of pay?

              Maybe they should start with welfare.. and politicians redic salary.

              Although I know we are getting paid, seems like a pretty shitty place to start thinking about not paying people. You know the ones who earn their check.
              Its not about starting anywhere. If the spending issue doesnt get straightened out and a Federal budget isnt signed then ALL govt workers will not get paid, govt essentially shuts down. Politicians, welfare, social security, even payments to other countries on our current debt. Im sure there are a few things that cant shut down but most everything certainly will.

              Does it suck? Yes. Is it right? No. Could it become a necessary evil to get this country back on track? Maybe.

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              • #8
                They'll just print off more money. Where has everyone been since 2008?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 8mpg View Post
                  The world will move on. They will get their back pay. The whole thing is not going to collapse.

                  While it will suck, it may be a necessary evil to get our economy back on track. We need the MASSIVE spending cuts to go through
                  Federal spending, yes. Cut military pay? Not gonna happen.

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                  • #10
                    There are few things that would make me feel ashamed as an American, and not paying our military is one of them. That's right up there with 3rd world country behavior.

                    Hell, I know for a fact that a lot of military folks live check to check (not that civilians don't either) and delaying their pay will really screw things up. You can't just NOT pay people.
                    Originally posted by MR EDD
                    U defend him who use's racial slurs like hes drinking water.

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                    • #11
                      how many people are in the united states ?

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                        U.S. 311,002,190
                        World 6,906,396,146
                        21:54 UTC (EST+5) Mar 17, 2011
                        Originally posted by MR EDD
                        U defend him who use's racial slurs like hes drinking water.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by samuel642000 View Post
                          How would you like to work for a month, pay your bills for a month, and not get a months worth of pay?

                          Maybe they should start with welfare.. and politicians redic salary.

                          Although I know we are getting paid, seems like a pretty shitty place to start thinking about not paying people. You know the ones who earn their check.
                          First off..this shut down will only be a couple of days. Essential services will keep on. Think of it more as a delayed paycheck. I really doubt they would stop the paychecks regardless of what the article says. I really believe this is some bullshit liberal hype to press the sheeple of the United States into thinking the right wing is going to fuck everyone over.

                          You really think they will stop spending (paying) just because its not currently budgeted for? Look at the current spending rate. They dont give a fuck about how much they spend. The article said they still got paid in 1995...they will still get paid in 2011 regardless of politics battling it out. Besides, the Republican party seems to be giving up with Boehner at the lead.

                          They might have cut 6billion in spending, but thats not shit compared to the $75b that was passed not long ago....

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 8mpg View Post
                            You really think they will stop spending (paying) just because its not currently budgeted for?
                            but...but...the news says so!

                            Edit: btw, any flak you gotten or would get from me would come from the attitude of your first post. Seemed as if you were saying..."No big deal, it's just the military they'll be alright."

                            I'd much rather see welfare checks delayed then military - if for no other reason the military is working for their pay.
                            Originally posted by MR EDD
                            U defend him who use's racial slurs like hes drinking water.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ceyko View Post
                              but...but...the news says so!

                              Edit: btw, any flak you gotten or would get from me would come from the attitude of your first post. Seemed as if you were saying..."No big deal, it's just the military they'll be alright."

                              I'd much rather see welfare checks delayed then military - if for no other reason the military is working for their pay.
                              Hell no... I completely respect them. But much like everyone else in the society who is paid by the government (teacher, military, worthless POS on welfare/medicaid) they will have to suffer together. I would love to see the checks stop with the welfare/WIC/Medicaid first, but it wont happen.

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