The Texas Open Carry bill has been filed

[Venix]

I agree with those who are worried about printing. I find it is very difficult to carry anything except my Micro Desert Eagle and not print in some way. I think with the OC it would allow people to print when they bend over or if their shirt rises up and their weapon is exposed there is no legal action against them.

Anyway, that's my take on it. It would be nice to just be able to carry and not worry as much about people finding out on accident.

[Dacotua]

Lol, wow you are a dumbass. Stating police have no training just shows you have a low Iq. I hope the open carry passes, and you get your gun taken from your fat ass and get shot with it =). Don't bother calling the police ever also, since you know, you are trained much better.

When seconds count, cops are minutes away.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

I have a CHL but seldom carry, mainly because I am a tall thin man and any, and I mean any gun prints a bit. I am paranoid of getting arrested and having my ability to own a firearm suspended for printing.

Also I can not carry where I feel most vulnerable... on campus.

You don't carry cause you don't want to print, yet you're against open carry. Just admit it, you're against carrying.

[Moose242]

You don't carry cause you don't want to print, yet you're against open carry. Just admit it, you're against carrying.

What the hell? How did you reach that conclusion?


If I was against carrying I would not have a concealed carry license. I just wish that the whole printing thing would be rectified by law.

[GhostTX]

-The fact that the police are scared shitless of someone open carrying a gun because "ZOMG they don't have any training!" is also not my problem. I suppose if this law gets passed, they harass people and they get sued a few times, they'll figure that out.

Lol, wow you are a dumbass. Stating police have no training just shows you have a low Iq. I hope the open carry passes, and you get your gun taken from your fat ass and get shot with it =). Don't bother calling the police ever also, since you know, you are trained much better.

I believe the "no training" was meant to infer the police are saying the civilian has no training.

Bronco you are funny. I like how you just make things up.... No one said police are scared shitless.... That is a statement you just made. So unless you are a cop and are scared shitless then you know nothing. I know officers that love the idea. I am not against it. All I said was training available. Reading into it more it looks as if that would most likely be a requirement if it did pass. So its all good =)

Actually, I have met two police officers that are the strong opinion that civilians should not be able to carry guns at all. CHL or otherwise. Both had the opinions that civilians, no matter their background and training, have no business carrying and can never be at good as a cop.

While I fully agree that every civie that carries a gun should seek additional training and constantly practice, it IS a Constitutional right to bear arms that SHOULD NOT be infringed.

[bubbaearl]

you cant legislate morality .

[Nash B.]

I agree with those who are worried about printing. I find it is very difficult to carry anything except my Micro Desert Eagle and not print in some way. I think with the OC it would allow people to print when they bend over or if their shirt rises up and their weapon is exposed there is no legal action against them.

Anyway, that's my take on it. It would be nice to just be able to carry and not worry as much about people finding out on accident.

If I was against carrying I would not have a concealed carry license. I just wish that the whole printing thing would be rectified by law.

Did you guys sleep through the class?

Sec. 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, and intentionally fails to conceal the handgun.

[Machx2]

I believe the "no training" was meant to infer the police are saying the civilian has no training.


Actually, I have met two police officers that are the strong opinion that civilians should not be able to carry guns at all. CHL or otherwise. Both had the opinions that civilians, no matter their background and training, have no business carrying and can never be at good as a cop.

While I fully agree that every civie that carries a gun should seek additional training and constantly practice, it IS a Constitutional right to bear arms that SHOULD NOT be infringed.

I agree. And those cops in my opinion are stupid. Putting a badge on doesn't make you any better then anyone else. I do believe chl holders help alot.

[Broncojohnny]

Lol, wow you are a dumbass. Stating police have no training just shows you have a low Iq. I hope the open carry passes, and you get your gun taken from your fat ass and get shot with it =). Don't bother calling the police ever also, since you know, you are trained much better.

Lol are you mad bro? It'll be ok, it is just the internet where everyone has an opinion, I know it is scary to have to listen to another adult's opinion and not be able to do anything about it but bear with us here.

Where did I say that the police have no training? I'm just saying that the fact that the average person has no training and can carry doesn't necessarily mean that disaster is imminent. Don't people carry rifles all the time in this country while hunting? With no training? Sure accidents happen but it isn't like we live in a Yosemite Sam cartoon where people use guns to open jelly jars.

[Forever_frost]

There are so many things to respond to in this thread, sorry if this gets long.

Yes, "big bad" cops ARE better than the average citizen with a gun, and they have MUCH MORE training than 99% of CHL holders. Just look at the Utah reciprocity thread... you can get that CHL and never even have to fire your weapon. Not to bash anyone, but whoever made that comment comes off as one of the billy badasses, and that's the same attitude I've seen/heard from 95% of people in favor of open carry and EVERYONE in favor of campus carry. If that correlation doesn't tell you anything about the mindset, i'm not sure there's any convincing you. "I don't need that shit, I'm as good as a cop..."


thanks for the stats. The ONLY thing that having a CHL means, is that you haven't been CAUGHT doing anything that qualifies as a felony. Being a police officer means that you've passed an extensive background check, supplied 8-10 references, passed a polygraph stating you haven't done certain things and that you haven't lied on your app, and again, had tons of training. That doesn't mean it's perfect or there aren't bad cops, or they don't get jaded, but it's a helluva lot better than what CHL holders have to go through (or lack thereof).

There is no evidence that open carry citizens are targets of having their guns stolen? I can't respond to that directly since I haven't searched for that info, but I DO KNOW that police have problems with that. If someone will try to fight a cop and steal their gun, I'm pretty sure it'll happen to Billy Badass if he's in the wrong spot at the wrong time. Even if had my CHL already and was eligible for OC, I wouldn't. Look at how many "canadians'" families sue officers after they're killed during a robbery/traffic stop/ domestic dispute/drug buy, etc. I don't want the liability of having to fight some canadians in court and the possibility of getting a jury of "their" peers.

What rights will police have to question/detain someone wearing a firearm? If people are bitching about profiling now, what will Jose and LeShon have to say when they are repeatedly asked to see their OC/CHL? There are tons of inner-city people who haven't ever been caught committing a felony. They are eligible for a CHL (and OC if it passes). You don't think LeShon carrying his Glock 9mm everywhere he goes in E. FW will cause a problem? I'm sure all the canadians that are eligible will wear their peice as a "don't mess with me" to all the guys they have beef with. The people in those socio-economic areas don't always make the smartest decisions, and it's all about "respect." "You don't think I will just because you got a gun on yo hip?"

That leads me to my next point: LeShon carries his Glock with him everywhere. The cops finally get to the point where they're not allowed to profile as much as they'd like. That presents a problem that you don't have to be a genius to figure out.

If something does go down at a campus/bank, how are the cops to know who the bad guys are. You could get shot for being a bystander with an OCL. If you're on the ground, the cop still can't turn his back on you because you have a weapon, regardless of where the "shooter" is.

I guess that's it for now, I'm sure this post is long enough with only half my points covered. My apologies to any law-abiding, respectful citizens named "LeShon." I'm all for gun rights and hate the "assault rifle" legislation and anyone that proposes to take our guns, but this isn't the wild west. What is the problem with keeping it under your shirt?


*edit* I haven't even made it to the second page, but did glance and see a post about being trained in the military. You're not the rule. I've met infantry guys that are dumb as dirt and don't know a thing about guns other than what they were issued, and not every MOS handles a gun regularly. Hell, I work with a guy who packed parachutes...lol.

Sounds like "I'm a cop, you can't possibly handle the rights I have." If someone is OC and it's legal and the weapon is holstered, you shouldn't look at them twice

[Machx2]

Lol are you mad bro? It'll be ok, it is just the internet where everyone has an opinion, I know it is scary to have to listen to another adult's opinion and not be able to do anything about it but bear with us here.

Where did I say that the police have no training? I'm just saying that the fact that the average person has no training and can carry doesn't necessarily mean that disaster is imminent. Don't people carry rifles all the time in this country while hunting? With no training? Sure accidents happen but it isn't like we live in a Yosemite Sam cartoon where people use guns to open jelly jars.

No I misunderstood what you said. Sorry. I am not mad. I was kidding in my post. Guess I should have put /sarcasm. I have said it before, but I will say it again. I could care less if the OC passes. Yes have rifles when hunting... Whats the have to do with anything? They aren't taking it loaded into walmart for everyone to see. Lol. People also carry loaded guns concealed places. There is nothing wrong with that. This isn't the rifleman. I would be worried if someone was walking into a grocery store carrying a ak-47 or ar-15 yes. At that time you are out gunned if their intentions are bad.

[Moose242]

Did you guys sleep through the class?

Yes, I did. That shit started at 8:00 and I was tired.

[Broncojohnny]

No I misunderstood what you said. Sorry. I am not mad. I was kidding in my post. Guess I should have put /sarcasm. I have said it before, but I will say it again. I could care less if the OC passes. Yes have rifles when hunting... Whats the have to do with anything? They aren't taking it loaded into walmart for everyone to see. Lol. People also carry loaded guns concealed places. There is nothing wrong with that. This isn't the rifleman. I would be worried if someone was walking into a grocery store carrying a ak-47 or ar-15 yes. At that time you are out gunned if their intentions are bad.

I would be worried too if someone carried a rifle into Wal-mart. Do you worry when they carry it into market hall for the gun show? Probably not, thus it is the context of their actions that make you worry.

Therefore, if people carry a gun into wal-mart whether concealed or not, wouldn't the context of their carrying be the same? You not seeing the gun changes nothing except your perception. The place is the same, the gun is the same, their actions are the same but you can now see the gun. Aside from the fear factor that a CHL puts into criminals, wouldn't a cop rather SEE a gun that is being carried? As a private citizen I would, that way I know it is there.

[Machx2]

I would be worried too if someone carried a rifle into Wal-mart. Do you worry when they carry it into market hall for the gun show? Probably not, thus it is the context of their actions that make you worry.

Therefore, if people carry a gun into wal-mart whether concealed or not, wouldn't the context of their carrying be the same? You not seeing the gun changes nothing except your perception. The place is the same, the gun is the same, their actions are the same but you can now see the gun. Aside from the fear factor that a CHL puts into criminals, wouldn't a cop rather SEE a gun that is being carried? As a private citizen I would, that way I know it is there.

What almost everyone here doesn't understand is in the open carry states most cities regulate it. A quick search shows alot of cities require the gun be unloaded. You may have the mags on you, however not in the pistol. So whats the point? Also most of them do get harassed. All it takes is one person calling the police for suspicious activity and boom. Part of your day wasted. Not many people open carry in the open carry states. There are tons of vidoes on youtube of people open carrying. Every time the cops seem to be called. Every person that is open carrying also make it way harder on themselves and the officers. I was watching many where the guy wouldnt say who he was or anything because he isn't required by law. He was a pos, and the officers were being nice. If it comes to texas and people act like that, you can bet they will get harassed by police every time.

Here is a video I found of officers that got a call about a man open carrying and the process they go through to make sure his weapon is unloaded. Again in these cities they can do that at any time they see someone open carrying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJVpCMyMKWU

[Broncojohnny]

What almost everyone here doesn't understand is in the open carry states most cities regulate it. A quick search shows alot of cities require the gun be unloaded. You may have the mags on you, however not in the pistol. So whats the point? Also most of them do get harassed. All it takes is one person calling the police for suspicious activity and boom. Part of your day wasted. Not many people open carry in the open carry states. There are tons of vidoes on youtube of people open carrying. Every time the cops seem to be called. Every person that is open carrying also make it way harder on themselves and the officers. I was watching many where the guy wouldnt say who he was or anything because he isn't required by law. He was a pos, and the officers were being nice. If it comes to texas and people act like that, you can bet they will get harassed by police every time.

Here is a video I found of officers that got a call about a man open carrying and the process they go through to make sure his weapon is unloaded. Again in these cities they can do that at any time they see someone open carrying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJVpCMyMKWU

That happens a lot in California. I agree there is really not much point to carrying an unloaded gun but on the other hand I suppose it is better than nothing since a CHL is impossible to get in places like California unless you pay off someone down at city hall.

How many times will people make that call if the police show up, the guy with the gun has done nothing and they warn the anti-gun morons not to call 911 if there isn't an emergency? Or write their asses up? To me the problem here is people potentially calling the police for stupid shit, we all know that how bad that is already.