The Texas Open Carry bill has been filed

[Machx2]

That happens a lot in California. I agree there is really not much point to carrying an unloaded gun but on the other hand I suppose it is better than nothing since a CHL is impossible to get in places like California unless you pay off someone down at city hall.

How many times will people make that call if the police show up, the guy with the gun has done nothing and they warn the anti-gun morons not to call 911 if there isn't an emergency? Or write their asses up? To me the problem here is people potentially calling the police for stupid shit, we all know that how bad that is already.

That guy is a sitting duck! Lol

[Broncojohnny]

That guy is a sitting duck! Lol

True, he is. He probably looks at it as he is a sitting duck without a gun too. I'm not so sure I wouldn't just carry one in my car or something if I lived in The People's Republic of California. Then again I don't think I could ever live there.

[Machx2]

True, he is. He probably looks at it as he is a sitting duck without a gun too. I'm not so sure I wouldn't just carry one in my car or something if I lived in The People's Republic of California. Then again I don't think I could ever live there.

I honestly think he is in more danger carring an unloaded pistol then he is if he wasn't carrying one at all.

[hotrod66stang]

Sounds like "I'm a cop, you can't possibly handle the rights I have." If someone is OC and it's legal and the weapon is holstered, you shouldn't look at them twice

<-----Not a cop.

Riiight. What happened to situational awareness? If a guy in a blazer and slacks walks in with a gun, do you honestly think the same thing as when a guy with pants hanging off his ass has one? Be honest here. The second part to this, is how would you know that it's legal? IF you really, honestly believe you shouldn't look twice at someone carrying (and you ASSUME it's legal), then how on earth are you going to have situational awareness? If you're supposed to always assume, no matter what, that someone OC is legit, what SOP's would cops ever put into place to check the validity. I mean, everyone that has a gun is legit, and you shouldn't even look twice...

[Machx2]

<-----Not a cop.

Riiight. What happened to situational awareness? If a guy in a blazer and slacks walks in with a gun, do you honestly think the same thing as when a guy with pants hanging off his ass has one? Be honest here. The second part to this, is how would you know that it's legal? IF you really, honestly believe you shouldn't look twice at someone carrying (and you ASSUME it's legal), then how on earth are you going to have situational awareness? If you're supposed to always assume, no matter what, that someone OC is legit, what SOP's would cops ever put into place to check the validity. I mean, everyone that has a gun is legit, and you shouldn't even look twice...

Yeah from what I am seeing, in the open carry states not many people do it. The people that do seem to get the cops called on them everywhere they go heh. I have been reading toooooonnnss of instances where people cannot go anywhere without getting harassed by people and the police getting called.

[ceyko]

I mean, everyone that has a gun is legit, and you shouldn't even look twice...

I believe even OC supporters (like myself, even though I likely would not OC very often) understand what you're saying.

Not that I agree or care about those points. Not my problem, it's the police's problem. I'm willing to accept some level of concern from the police if necessary, that is my problem. I'm even willing to go to a class and get training - then I can just show my 3rd ID. I don't have a problem with training as it also explains the laws. I think people need to know the laws just as much as how to use their weapon.

My question that I continually ask, is where is there any evidence/documentation that supports all these uber big problems in current OC states?

Generally, I just don't see WTH the big deal is on open carrying.

[ceyko]

Yeah from what I am seeing, in the open carry states not many people do it. The people that do seem to get the cops called on them everywhere they go heh. I have been reading toooooonnnss of instances where people cannot go anywhere without getting harassed by people and the police getting called.

Getting that stuff on via google?

[Machx2]

Getting that stuff on via google?

Some, most is on youtube where oc activists whining and giving police hell ect. Claiming their rights are being violated because people called police on them ect.

[Machx2]

Only 12 states allow open carry with a loaded weapon. The rest have to be unloaded. Interesting.

[Machx2]

Honestly the more I am reading about it and reading all of the peoples posts and stuff on opencarry.org I am becoming against oc. Most on there don't cooperate with law enforcement at all. They whine because police talk to them and most seem to be anti police now because people call them because they are carrying a gun. Go check that site out. It is a joke. If that is what OC is going to be like, why would anyone want it?

[hotrod66stang]

My question that I continually ask, is where is there any evidence/documentation that supports all these uber big problems in current OC states?

Generally, I just don't see WTH the big deal is on open carrying.

I'm playing devil's advocate more than anything. This is DFWMustangs, didn't you get the memo? I'll be the first to admit that I'm not as knowledgeable as I should be on the subject. As for the time being, I am anti-OC, but do think there should be new provisions put into place for CHL to address the problems described in relation to "printing." Maybe a few things tweaked on current legislation would keep everyone happy for now. Just a thought.

[Nash B.]

As for the time being, I am anti-OC, but do think there should be new provisions put into place for CHL to address the problems described in relation to "printing."

It's not illegal unless you're intentionally failing to conceal. What more do we need?

[ceyko]

I'm playing devil's advocate more than anything. This is DFWMustangs, didn't you get the memo? I'll be the first to admit that I'm not as knowledgeable as I should be on the subject. As for the time being, I am anti-OC, but do think there should be new provisions put into place for CHL to address the problems described in relation to "printing." Maybe a few things tweaked on current legislation would keep everyone happy for now. Just a thought.

Yeah, what sucks is you have to support the extreme to get minor revisions. So, for all my purposes OC! Otherwise my rights are violated.

[ceyko]

Honestly the more I am reading about it and reading all of the peoples posts and stuff on opencarry.org I am becoming against oc. Most on there don't cooperate with law enforcement at all. They whine because police talk to them and most seem to be anti police now because people call them because they are carrying a gun. Go check that site out. It is a joke. If that is what OC is going to be like, why would anyone want it?

I'll check it out over the next week or so, get more familiar with what you're looking at as far as that goes.

I think part of the counter argument would be, why are citizens allowed to falsely accuse other citizens? I know, easily swiped. It's not MY fault that other citizens don't keep up with the laws and that OC is legal (if it were to happen). Isn't the common thing, ignorance of a law is not a proper defense? It would be similar to constantly calling you saying someone is harassing me when they are just mowing their lawn. That's completely legal as well.

Personally, I'd prefer to get an ID or something that just says I can OC. That way if a cop were to wanna check it out I could just show the ID and be on my merry way....even though I've felt police could've been more professional with me, I've never dreamed of disrespecting a cop doing their job. Seems rude (even though police can be rude too) and counter productive.

[Machx2]

I'll check it out over the next week or so, get more familiar with what you're looking at as far as that goes.

I think part of the counter argument would be, why are citizens allowed to falsely accuse other citizens? I know, easily swiped. It's not MY fault that other citizens don't keep up with the laws and that OC is legal (if it were to happen). Isn't the common thing, ignorance of a law is not a proper defense? It would be similar to constantly calling you saying someone is harassing me when they are just mowing their lawn. That's completely legal as well.

Personally, I'd prefer to get an ID or something that just says I can OC. That way if a cop were to wanna check it out I could just show the ID and be on my merry way....even though I've felt police could've been more professional with me, I've never dreamed of disrespecting a cop doing their job. Seems rude (even though police can be rude too) and counter productive.

There are videos on youtube where people from NH? I think. Where they absolutely refuse to give the officer anything. Making their life hell. The guy had everything needed to oc legally he was just being a pos. So of course the police kept him there for a good while. It is just ignorance. They are hurting the cause, not helping.