The Texas Open Carry bill has been filed

[Forever_frost]

I have a CHL but seldom carry, mainly because I am a tall thin man and any, and I mean any gun prints a bit. I am paranoid of getting arrested and having my ability to own a firearm suspended for printing.

Also I can not carry where I feel most vulnerable... on campus.

Which is why open carry should be permitted. I can carry, if I want to print on my T shirt and get thrown around for "displaying". If you're a criminal and walk into a place expecting to rob it and everyone is open carrying, you go somewhere else. Again, I'd compare my weapons training to any cop you like. As well as my training in threat assessment, actually taking down people, and training on shooting others.

[GhostTX]

I have a CHL but seldom carry, mainly because I am a tall thin man and any, and I mean any gun prints a bit. I am paranoid of getting arrested and having my ability to own a firearm suspended for printing.

Why would you get arrested if you were made? Maybe a bit of "fun" if the cops were called...

Also I can not carry where I feel most vulnerable... on campus.

Need to push your representatives.

[Slowhand]

Which is why open carry should be permitted. I can carry, if I want to print on my T shirt and get thrown around for "displaying". If you're a criminal and walk into a place expecting to rob it and everyone is open carrying, you go somewhere else. Again, I'd compare my weapons training to any cop you like. As well as my training in threat assessment, actually taking down people, and training on shooting others.

What kind of places do you go that everyone is carrying?

[Machx2]

Which is why open carry should be permitted. I can carry, if I want to print on my T shirt and get thrown around for "displaying". If you're a criminal and walk into a place expecting to rob it and everyone is open carrying, you go somewhere else. Again, I'd compare my weapons training to any cop you like. As well as my training in threat assessment, actually taking down people, and training on shooting others.

I do not doubt yours, or any ex militarys training or threat assessment. I just think open carry needs more training involved for the average joe if it were to pass. That is all.

[Cannonball996]

what is law-abiding? should a few misdemeanors prevent someone from arming and protecting oneself?

[Machx2]

what is law-abiding? should a few misdemeanors prevent someone from arming and protecting oneself?

Depends on what those misdemeanors are.

[Forever_frost]

I wouldn't mind additional training, but open carry should be constitutional. If it was as bad as you think, then Arizona would be a blood bath as would the rest of the open carry states. You don't see it

[Broncojohnny]

I do not think that people should be able to carry "any weapon they choose". I think the law forbidding people from acquiring thermonuclear warheads is reasonable.

I also think open carry is stupid and paints you as a target. It is also one of the biggest threats to our gun rights. It boils my blood when you see some lowlife moron open carrying, wearing a "Co-ed Naked Bass Fishing Team" T-shirt in a small midwestern town, where the chances of being mugged are roughly the same of being attacked by an elephant. The carrying of firearms in suburban Starbucks is on the same level as going into the same Starbucks and shouting racism/obscenities at the top of your lungs in an attempt to retain your 1st Amendment rights.

Saying the second amendment allows you to carry an anti-tank rocket is a little far fetched. I don't think anyone would disagree. Chiefly because it is completely unnecessary. No one should need that. Ever.

I'm all for open carry and I also strongly disagree that anyone needs a training course or any of that bullshit in order to carry a gun. Here is why:

-Constitution says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. Paying the government is infringement by any reasonable legal standard. A poll tax infringed on the rights of people to vote and is a perfect example of such. One man's "bearing of arms" is another man's "showing off" and it always has been.

-Currently completely legal for any non-felon to carry a rifle with no training

-Does away with the bullshit idea that a CHL holder commits a crime if his weapon is exposed

-Allows a person to carry a handgun that can't be easily concealed. Can I conceal a longslide 1911 in July without sticking it up my ass? Probably not.

-What other people say or do in reaction to someone carrying a gun is just their fucking problem. I don't care about anti-gun fuck nuts or carebears. If they call 911 about the big scary man with the gun, they should be prosecuted. The stupid idea that we should cater to these people is why gun rights are threatened today.

-The fact that the police are scared shitless of someone open carrying a gun because "ZOMG they don't have any training!" is also not my problem. I suppose if this law gets passed, they harass people and they get sued a few times, they'll figure that out.

[ceyko]

Again,I wonder how the other open carry states handle it?

I also feel penalties should be severe if you're being a dipshit with your weapon.

[Forever_frost]

Saying the second amendment allows you to carry an anti-tank rocket is a little far fetched. I don't think anyone would disagree. Chiefly because it is completely unnecessary. No one should need that. Ever.

I'm all for open carry and I also strongly disagree that anyone needs a training course or any of that bullshit in order to carry a gun. Here is why:

-Constitution says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. Paying the government is infringement by any reasonable legal standard. A poll tax infringed on the rights of people to vote and is a perfect example of such. One man's "bearing of arms" is another man's "showing off" and it always has been.

-Currently completely legal for any non-felon to carry a rifle with no training

-Does away with the bullshit idea that a CHL holder commits a crime if his weapon is exposed

-Allows a person to carry a handgun that can't be easily concealed. Can I conceal a longslide 1911 in July without sticking it up my ass? Probably not.

-What other people say or do in reaction to someone carrying a gun is just their fucking problem. I don't care about anti-gun fuck nuts or carebears. If they call 911 about the big scary man with the gun, they should be prosecuted. The stupid idea that we should cater to these people is why gun rights are threatened today.

-The fact that the police are scared shitless of someone open carrying a gun because "ZOMG they don't have any training!" is also not my problem. I suppose if this law gets passed, they harass people and they get sued a few times, they'll figure that out.

Well said

[Machx2]

Saying the second amendment allows you to carry an anti-tank rocket is a little far fetched. I don't think anyone would disagree. Chiefly because it is completely unnecessary. No one should need that. Ever.

I'm all for open carry and I also strongly disagree that anyone needs a training course or any of that bullshit in order to carry a gun. Here is why:

-Constitution says the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. Paying the government is infringement by any reasonable legal standard. A poll tax infringed on the rights of people to vote and is a perfect example of such. One man's "bearing of arms" is another man's "showing off" and it always has been.

-Currently completely legal for any non-felon to carry a rifle with no training

-Does away with the bullshit idea that a CHL holder commits a crime if his weapon is exposed

-Allows a person to carry a handgun that can't be easily concealed. Can I conceal a longslide 1911 in July without sticking it up my ass? Probably not.

-What other people say or do in reaction to someone carrying a gun is just their fucking problem. I don't care about anti-gun fuck nuts or carebears. If they call 911 about the big scary man with the gun, they should be prosecuted. The stupid idea that we should cater to these people is why gun rights are threatened today.

-The fact that the police are scared shitless of someone open carrying a gun because "ZOMG they don't have any training!" is also not my problem. I suppose if this law gets passed, they harass people and they get sued a few times, they'll figure that out.

Lol, wow you are a dumbass. Stating police have no training just shows you have a low Iq. I hope the open carry passes, and you get your gun taken from your fat ass and get shot with it =). Don't bother calling the police ever also, since you know, you are trained much better.

[hotrod66stang]

There are so many things to respond to in this thread, sorry if this gets long.

Yes, "big bad" cops ARE better than the average citizen with a gun, and they have MUCH MORE training than 99% of CHL holders. Just look at the Utah reciprocity thread... you can get that CHL and never even have to fire your weapon. Not to bash anyone, but whoever made that comment comes off as one of the billy badasses, and that's the same attitude I've seen/heard from 95% of people in favor of open carry and EVERYONE in favor of campus carry. If that correlation doesn't tell you anything about the mindset, i'm not sure there's any convincing you. "I don't need that shit, I'm as good as a cop..."

In the state of Texas from 96-99, 864 arrests were made against texas chl holders for violent crimes and 2,337 arrests were made against chl holders for non violent crimes. So those chl holders were not law abiding citizens.... Make sense?

http://concealedguns.procon.org/sour...sturdevant.pdf

thanks for the stats. The ONLY thing that having a CHL means, is that you haven't been CAUGHT doing anything that qualifies as a felony. Being a police officer means that you've passed an extensive background check, supplied 8-10 references, passed a polygraph stating you haven't done certain things and that you haven't lied on your app, and again, had tons of training. That doesn't mean it's perfect or there aren't bad cops, or they don't get jaded, but it's a helluva lot better than what CHL holders have to go through (or lack thereof).

There is no evidence that open carry citizens are targets of having their guns stolen? I can't respond to that directly since I haven't searched for that info, but I DO KNOW that police have problems with that. If someone will try to fight a cop and steal their gun, I'm pretty sure it'll happen to Billy Badass if he's in the wrong spot at the wrong time. Even if had my CHL already and was eligible for OC, I wouldn't. Look at how many "canadians'" families sue officers after they're killed during a robbery/traffic stop/ domestic dispute/drug buy, etc. I don't want the liability of having to fight some canadians in court and the possibility of getting a jury of "their" peers.

What rights will police have to question/detain someone wearing a firearm? If people are bitching about profiling now, what will Jose and LeShon have to say when they are repeatedly asked to see their OC/CHL? There are tons of inner-city people who haven't ever been caught committing a felony. They are eligible for a CHL (and OC if it passes). You don't think LeShon carrying his Glock 9mm everywhere he goes in E. FW will cause a problem? I'm sure all the canadians that are eligible will wear their peice as a "don't mess with me" to all the guys they have beef with. The people in those socio-economic areas don't always make the smartest decisions, and it's all about "respect." "You don't think I will just because you got a gun on yo hip?"

That leads me to my next point: LeShon carries his Glock with him everywhere. The cops finally get to the point where they're not allowed to profile as much as they'd like. That presents a problem that you don't have to be a genius to figure out.

If something does go down at a campus/bank, how are the cops to know who the bad guys are. You could get shot for being a bystander with an OCL. If you're on the ground, the cop still can't turn his back on you because you have a weapon, regardless of where the "shooter" is.

I guess that's it for now, I'm sure this post is long enough with only half my points covered. My apologies to any law-abiding, respectful citizens named "LeShon." I'm all for gun rights and hate the "assault rifle" legislation and anyone that proposes to take our guns, but this isn't the wild west. What is the problem with keeping it under your shirt?


*edit* I haven't even made it to the second page, but did glance and see a post about being trained in the military. You're not the rule. I've met infantry guys that are dumb as dirt and don't know a thing about guns other than what they were issued, and not every MOS handles a gun regularly. Hell, I work with a guy who packed parachutes...lol.

[Machx2]

Bronco you are funny. I like how you just make things up.... No one said police are scared shitless.... That is a statement you just made. So unless you are a cop and are scared shitless then you know nothing. I know officers that love the idea. I am not against it. All I said was training available. Reading into it more it looks as if that would most likely be a requirement if it did pass. So its all good =)

[ceyko]

*edit* I haven't even made it to the second page, but did glance and see a post about being trained in the military. You're not the rule. I've met infantry guys that are dumb as dirt and don't know a thing about guns other than what they were issued, and not every MOS handles a gun regularly. Hell, I work with a guy who packed parachutes...lol.

All the OC states are in anarchy eh?

As you said, LeShon can legally carry, so what is your point?

Please show me statistics that indicate OC causes major problems. Also, understand that some of us sticking up for it don't necessarily want to use it all the time.

Frankly, I'm getting a kick out of people making shit up without any backing. We have states doing this already - some agree with MachX2 that some additional training would be beneficial.

[bubbaearl]

i dont plan to carry my 6 in barrel 45 on my hip. but if i have one of my smaller guns stuck in my belt i dont want to be hassled because it might show. as for taking it away from me . well you'll just have to take your chances but at 6'6 250 it will be educational for you.