Senate bill bans smoking in Texas bars and restaurants

[Venom]

Or judgemental pieces of shit.

what about felons that don't pay their surcharges?

[dustin]

What tears? I don't mind walking outside to smoke. It's not a big deal to me. You're missing the entire argument. No surprise there, this forum has never been short on dumbasses.

You seem awfully adamant about this cause considering you don't mind and it's not a big deal.

[bcoop]

what about felons that don't pay their surcharges?

Couldn't tell you anything about that.

[clevelandkid]

Perfect. Then go to those places and leave the other bars alone, idiot.

It would be a very long drive home from a bar in California or Cleveland.

I stated that I prefer to go to a non-smoking bar, but will go to a smoking bar too. I'm not the one leading the crusade to ban smoking, even though it benefits me. Go have a couple of cigarettes and calm down.

[bcoop]

You seem awfully adamant about this cause considering you don't mind and it's not a big deal.

I, me, personally, don't mind going outside to smoke. I really don't. I still go out in Dallas, even though you can't smoke in bars. I still go out in Ft Worth, even though you can't smoke in bars. And as I said, I'm even in the process of quitting myself.


The principle is what I care about here. The whole idea that the govt is here to protect us from ourselves is what I have a problem with. Govt telling Billy Bar Owner what he can and can't allow (within the confines of the law) in his bar is what I have a problem with. And the govt taking yet another freedom, is what I have a problem with. Because where does it stop? Where do you draw the line? What will YOU lose before you decide you've had enough?

I mean, what if they outlaw farting in public? Shitting in airplane lavatories? Yes, it all sounds ridiculous. It's supposed to. That's my whole point.

[Skidmark]

Texas State Law I guess.

lol, well played.

[clevelandkid]

The principle is what I care about here. The whole idea that the govt is here to protect us from ourselves is what I have a problem with. Govt telling Billy Bar Owner what he can and can't allow (within the confines of the law) in his bar is what I have a problem with. And the govt taking yet another freedom, is what I have a problem with. Because where does it stop? Where do you draw the line? What will YOU lose before you decide you've had enough?

This isn't a case of the government arbitrarily taking away freedoms. It's a case of the government doing their job and proposing legislation based on the will of the people they serve. If there weren't a whole bunch of citizens asking for this, it wouldn't be in the works - and if there were more people who supported smoking in bars, it would never pass.

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-le...r-smoking-ban/

The latest from Gov. Rick Perry's preferred polling firm, Baselice & Associates, shows that 70 percent of Texans support a ban on indoor smoking, including in restaurants and bars.

[bcoop]

This isn't a case of the government arbitrarily taking away freedoms. It's a case of the government doing their job and proposing legislation based on the will of the people they serve. If there weren't a whole bunch of citizens asking for this, it wouldn't be in the works - and if there were more people who supported smoking in bars, it would never pass.

Bars is all smokers have left. For the major metro areas, it's gone in restaurants. FW and Dallas, it's gone in pool halls, bowling alleys, bars, restaurants, and strip clubs for crying out loud. You're no longer allowed to smoke in the workplace. Or airport. Or hospitals, etc. Bars and home (I don't smoke in my house btw) are all we have left. It's a fucking BAR for crying out loud.


I seriously doubt there are people campaigning to get rid of smoking in bars. This is some bullshit agenda by an out of touch blue haired democrat in Houston. I'd even go so far as to bet the old crotchety fuck hasn't stepped foot in a bar in the last decade. But by golly, he's got an agenda! Can't let those precious tax dollars go to waste. He's got to look like he's busy doing something!

This IS about the govt. arbitrarily taking away freedoms. As well as the Govt sticking their fucking nose in private industry. Both of which, they do far too much of.

[bcoop]

The latest from Gov. Rick Perry's preferred polling firm, Baselice & Associates, shows that 70 percent of Texans support a ban on indoor smoking, including in restaurants and bars.

I figured you were smarter than to use some dumbass poll as "proof" or "evidence" as to what people want. Polls can be done to show any side, of any argument. They hold no water at all. It's all about their sampling. Did they do this polling at Denny's at 3:30 pm? You never know....

[mstng86]

I figured you were smarter than to use some dumbass poll as "proof" or "evidence" as to what people want. Polls can be done to show any side, of any argument. They hold no water at all. It's all about their sampling. Did they do this polling at Denny's at 3:30 pm? You never know....

Does the defenses case hold waaater?

Numbers can be manipulated in all kinds of ways to back an argument.

[bcoop]

Does the defenses case hold waaater?

Numbers can be manipulated in all kinds of ways to back an argument.

Just like statistics....


60% of the time, it works every time.

[Dlachance]

Go for it, I hate smelling like an ashtray after going to the bar. One reason I like Austin...

^^idiot. Just because you and many others don't favor something LEGAL that happens in a BAR doesn't mean that legislation needs to be drawn up. This bill is complete bullshit. Oh and by the way, my parents smoked for years, I absolutely HATE the smell and odor of smoke, my stomach truly turns. But, banning smoking in bars and restaurants is the last thing we need to be doing, it will kill business, big time.

[Slowhand]

This thread is about a page and a quarter longer than it should be.

[Slowhand]

I figured you were smarter than to use some dumbass poll as "proof" or "evidence" as to what people want. Polls can be done to show any side, of any argument. They hold no water at all. It's all about their sampling. Did they do this polling at Denny's at 3:30 pm? You never know....

Even if the poll was conducted with the utmost integrity and the results are completely indicative of public sentiment, what the fuck does it matter? I'd be more inclined to offer a little more support if cigarette smokers weren't the same fucks trying to tell me what I can and can't put in my body, but it's still not the government's place to tell you assholes where you can and can't be asinine fucks.

[clevelandkid]

I seriously doubt there are people campaigning to get rid of smoking in bars. This is some bullshit agenda by an out of touch blue haired democrat in Houston.

These groups are all campaigning to get rid of smoking in bars.

http://smokefreetexas.org/supporters

Supporting Organizations
Coalition Members

American Cancer Society
American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network
American Heart Association
Texas Parent Teacher Association
Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids
American Lung Association
Americans for Nonsmokers’ Rights
LIVESTRONG

Organizations
AARP – Texas
Amarillo Area CASA, Inc.
American Diabetes Association
Bexar County Medical Society
Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Texas
Burnet Chamber of Commerce
Cancer Support Community North Texas
Cheatham Street Music Foundation
Cheatham Street Warehouse
Children’s Hospital Association of Texas
Coalition for Nurses in Advanced Practice
Dallas County Medical Society
Girl Scouts of Central Texas
Goodcare Health Services
Hendrick Medical Center
Houston Communities for Safe Indoor Air
Humana
March of Dimes
Men’s Health Network
Public Citizen-Texas
Quail Creek ENT Center
Scott & White Healthcare
Sierra Club – The Lone Star Chapter
Texans Care for Children
Texas Academy of Family Physicians
Texas Association of Health Plans
Texas Association of Local Health Officials
Texas Asthma Coalition
Texas Dermatological Society
Texas Health Resources
Texas Hospital Association
Texas Infant Health Alliance
Texas Nurses Association
Texas Ophthalmological Association
Texas Pediatric Society
Texas Public Health Association
Texas Renal Coalition
Texas School Nurses Association
TexPIRG
Tobacco-free North Texas
Trade In Hope
Travis County Medical Society
United Health Care
United Ways of Texas

Faith-Based Organizations
Central Texas Conference of the United Methodist Church, Outreach Council
Central Texas Conference of the United Methodist Church, United Methodist Men
Christian Life Commission of the Baptist General Convention of Texas
Ethics and Religious Liberty Committee of the Southern Baptists of Texas Convention
Health Ministries Network of Texas
Islamic Association of Carrollton
Methodist Healthcare Ministries
Northwest Texas Conference Leadership Team of the United Methodist Church
Southwest Texas Annual Conference of the United Methodist Church, General Board of Church and Society
Texas Annual Conference of the United Methodist Church
Texas Catholic Conference
Texas Conference of the Seventh-day Adventists
Texas Impact


I didn't spend a real long time looking, but I didn't find a list of organizations supporting smoking in bars. I'd imagine it would be the tobacco companies and a senator who really likes his Marlbs.