Ronald Reagan: Worst president ever?

[KungFuHamster]

Why does a rich person deserve to pay more percentage wise than you or me? Considering the rich pay 50% of the taxes in the US. I dont care if you are poor or not. Poor people should pay taxes as well.

then they would be paying for their own social services

[ceyko]

Why does a rich person deserve to pay more percentage wise than you or me? Considering the rich pay 50% of the taxes in the US. I dont care if you are poor or not. Poor people should pay taxes as well.

I don't agree with most of what that dude is saying in this thread. However, I don't see where he said the rich should pay more. I got the impression he was saying via their lawyers, accountants and utilizing loopholes/deductions they are able to pay less percentage wise then the middle class.

[Denny]

I'll give you the other arguments, but I don't get thinking it's right to overtax the middle class in order to help the rich. Not talking about the making 200,000 rich. I'm talking the insanely rich who already circumvent the tax system as it is. These people didn't get that way by hard work and sacrifice. You've got to be greedy and malicious in order to obtain that kind of wealth. If I have to pay 30% of my paycheck to taxes then they should as well, period. Not asking for a free ride. Just think it should be fair across the board. And then to have a president that changes the system to further increase the separation between the working and middle class from the insanely rich is a bad thing IMO.

The problem with this, is that it promotes "The more success and money you make, the more you will be penalized." What is wrong with a flat tax and everyone chips in equally to keep this country alfoat? Honestly, how can anyone blame the rich for getting special treatment? I mean they are, after all, pulling more than their share.

[Denny]

I don't agree with most of what that dude is saying in this thread. However, I don't see where he said the rich should pay more. I got the impression he was saying via their lawyers, accountants and utilizing loopholes/deductions they are able to pay less percentage wise then the middle class.

Even at a lower percentage, some are still paying more than the majority of the country makes total.

[ceyko]

Even at a lower percentage, some are still paying more than the majority of the country makes total.

For the record, I still don't fully understand why a flat tax is a bad idea. The only valid argument I've heard is that it could hurt the poor drastically.

I have family that is poor (income wise) and I'd hate to see them under more stress. These are not bad people, just what you may consider simple. They are the poster-picture for the American worker.

Anyway, I don't see why the government can't function off the tax percentage that the poor can afford and that tax be universal. In my opinion, our fat government is really pathetic and causes most of these issues.

[Denny]

For the record, I still don't fully understand why a flat tax is a bad idea. The only valid argument I've heard is that it could hurt the poor drastically.

I have family that is poor (income wise) and I'd hate to see them under more stress. These are not bad people, just what you may consider simple. They are the poster-picture for the American worker.

Anyway, I don't see why the government can't function off the tax percentage that the poor can afford and that tax be universal. In my opinion, our fat government is really pathetic and causes most of these issues.

The best way to approach it in the fairest of manners is to get an honest median of the nation's incomes and base it off of that. If it works out to the total taxed income being less than what we currently bring in, then we adjust our government's operation to fit what the people give, not vice versa.

[SMEGMA STENCH]

Reagan pretty much dealt the death blow to communism worldwide, so naturally the liberals hate his guts. Just about anywhere you go you can see some liberal fairy hating on reagan.

[ceyko]

The best way to approach it in the fairest of manners is to get an honest median of the nation's incomes and base it off of that. If it works out to the total taxed income being less than what we currently bring in, then we adjust our government's operation to fit what the people give, not vice versa.

You best watch out using common sense when discussing politics and taxes.

[Denny]

You best watch out using common sense when discussing politics and taxes.

Bah... no one reads my posts anyway.

[The King]

Reagan pretty much dealt the death blow to communism worldwide, so naturally the liberals hate his guts. Just about anywhere you go you can see some liberal fairy hating on reagan.

These same liberal fairies generally only bitch and moan but offer up no workable alternative of their own. To be fair though they did follow each other like sheep and offer us Obama, and that's really worked out great LOL.

[Venom]

The history Channel just had a 2 hours special about Reagan. It gave some very good insight as to how and why he made some of the decisions that he did.

[JimD]

The history Channel just had a 2 hours special about Reagan. It gave some very good insight as to how and why he made some of the decisions that he did.

Good show

[ceyko]

The history Channel just had a 2 hours special about Reagan. It gave some very good insight as to how and why he made some of the decisions that he did.

That's the key - insight into their decisions. i.e. I try not to be judgmental of even Obama, even though I did not like him for his promises I knew were lies when he was campaigning.

Once in office - I want to support the man in that position. However, it's hard to when you don't agree with a single damned thing he is doing. I have a feeling that even when I have time to catch up with any/all details I can obtain for his various decisions - I'll still feel he's not cut out to be POTUS.

POTUS though is the most sought after job for these politicians. First and foremost I think it is our job as Americans to think if this person can even handle it. To me it is probably one of the worst jobs to have if you're not mentally able to handle it. I personally can't even fathom the stress of that job. i.e. What Bush dealt with and so on.

[Venom]

Good show

One thing that I didn't know about Reagan was that early in his life he wa a very staunch Democrat. When he became the head of the Screen Actors Guild and started making decisions that the rest of the guild didn't agree with they accused him of being a communist. He saw the light and realized that all of the things he thought he believed in were fundamentally wrong and switched parties and this is when his hatred for all things communist began.

[bcoop]

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