Will the Scalise shooting turn things around?

[TX_92_Notch]

I've seen a few scathing articles since the shooting, blatantly calling out the left for inciting violence, promoting hate, etc.



Will this shooting be the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back? Will it help turn the nation back around?



If not, what do you think it will take? Complete MSM reform? Abolish social media?



I'm kidding on the social media thing because we all know the vast majority of our population wouldn't be able to take a shit or suffer through a whole red light without checking their facebook or twitter page. But I do think social media is doing a tremendous amount of damage to our ability to sanely converse or debate a topic in a sane manner. Too many e-thugs and it seems a few are finally getting big enough balls to act out their anger in real life.



Thoughts?

[naynay]

i agree, the large majority of yall would have a stroke if you had to scroll through my FB feed.

with that being said, how is "antifa", "Blm", or hell even "ISIS" any different, from the main proponent here of "alt-right"?

thoughts?

and a quick, late night disclaimer, between you and i, disclaim anything that the peanut gallery you have called, out has to say.

now my thoughts: the election is over. trump is president, will he be impeached (??) maybe, will that be a good thing (??) no.

1) why are we still talking about the election?
2) hillary, if you havent noticed has fallen back. chelsea is next.
3) when are we gonna get to any of these campaign promises?
4)as i have said during these hearings; the senate wants him out. this dog and pony show isnt even about russia anymore. they got him on the obstruction of justice with the comey thing, which will ultimately go to a vote to put pence in charge.

anyone that doesnt see whats happening is a fascinating subject to me, and i will buy anyone willing a beer just to pick your brains on a 1 on 1 basis to figure out how you are wired.

and a quick, late night disclaimer, between you and i, disclaim anything that the peanut gallery you and i have called out has to say.

lastly, i have noticed a few of you have dropped the pepe meme thing, the ok symbol, and even the 'kek flag' (BP) as if almost to try to separate yourself from the extreme side of things, to just riding the middle and watching this world play out. the exact same way i have never aligned myself with blm or any of that stuff that we let sc281 run this site into the ground with.

the fact that this sub forum is the most active, 10 months later is very telling of how great we are making america

making again.

[naynay]

#tinfoil time

do you think this was maybe a MSM draw in?

do you think the shooter is really dead?

why havent we heard about the condition of anyone except the 3rd most prominent senator, who even still is being reported as both stable and/or critical depending which media outlet you choose?

the revolution may be to turn your tv's off and log off the internet looking at twittier screenshops from a 24 year old troll sitting in his moms converted garage/apartment in irving

smoke a bowl and wake up

[naynay]

sc281s moms spaghetti

[naynay]

and before my main chicks say anything:

[AnthonyS]

Now fake news fucktard is just talking BS to his own self. Take out the papers and the trash.....

[sc281]

This is it! Drumpf is done!

(7 months later)

No. We mean it this time. It's all these alt right kids fault with their meemees and independent thinking.
It's too hard to actually earn the vote with sound policies and sound judgement. Why won't they just be a good little voting bloc and vote democrat like the black people do?!

Dem Side note: what kind of pandering is suppose for work for the young people like Hillary's hot sauce in her purse did for garnering the black vote?





They don't give a shit about you Nay. The only time they claim to is every 2-4 years immediately preceding Election Day.

For the life of me I can't understand why so many willingly vote for Dem Massas. The shit these people promise you and others never get fulfilled, and only cost you your freedom - a little bit at a time.

Is the free shit really worth it?




And think of the people less well off than you - financially as well as emotionally. They actually BELIEVE and base their decisions and lives around this free shit continuing BECAUSE mama Maxine, Hillary, and Bernie said so. They believe so hard that govt is gonna take care of them that when it inevitably fails, and it always does, the less stable among them will go shoot up a republican baseball practice to kill the evil people the Dems blame for socialism not working as advertised.

I hope that behind all this trolling you start to think critically about how your people and many others of all colors have been systematically fucked by the welfare state and the welfare mentality. How the war on poverty has spent trillions of dollars since the 60's with no measurable impact on the percentage that are impoverished. I hope you think critically about how that is possible and why that might be.

Hint:

Just like most pharmaceutical treatments for a disease, none of this is meant to CURE the problem. It's only meant to treat the symptoms as long you keep buying the pharmaceutical, or voting democrat.

I'm not saying the right is perfect. God know we're just as rife with cronies who are beholden to big business and big banks as the left, but were steadily making progress on kicking these fuckers out. See Eric Cantor's loss to newcomer Dave Brat. See Trump's win over !Jeb! and his $100 million primary war chest. See Trump's win over 15 other cronies and Rino's.

We could use your help and vote in accomplishing more of that - whether you vote republican or democrat.

[Baron Von Crowder]

I blame Obama for this shit.

Hear me out.

We've always had crazy people, racist people, etc. Politic religion and relationships were three subjects that polite people shied away from in conversation. In order to win, Obama needed to make politics a popular conversation, particularly amongst younger people that commonly didn't bother with that section of the news. Now it's the main topic of conversation for some, facebook is full of political 'news' and rants. Hell the HuffPo wasn't around until 2005. I doubt trump would have ever gotten anywhere without this mainstream popularity.

This popularity is driving some of those crazies to action, because they are told by their idols to act against their political rivals, and they go out and shoot them. Instead of complaining that squirrels are eating all the bird sead out of their feeders, they are watching CNN and getting worked up over... politics.

[TX_92_Notch]

with that being said, how is "antifa", "Blm", or hell even "ISIS" any different, from the main proponent here of "alt-right"?

How many people have the right shot since the election? How many riots have the right started since the election? How many speeches have the right protested and shut down since the election? How many elected Republican officials have instructed their base to "fight in the streets" since the election? And before anyone says "because the right won the election", those same questions could be asked about 2008 & 2012 and the answers would be the same.

The far left are becoming domestic terrorists and will continue to grow in their audacity until another Democrat is elected POTUS.

3) when are we gonna get to any of these campaign promises?

Darned near impossible when the MSM and most of the elected Democrats and a portion of the elected Republicans are doing everything in their power to stand in the way of the changes he promised on the campaign trail. They all know it's the end of them...

[EW]

I like how the left complains about not getting campaign promises that it does not want.

It is easy for the left to continue their assault on the right when the right does not fight back.

[CWO]

I like how the left complains about not getting campaign promises that it does not want.

It is easy for the left to continue their assault on the right when the right does not fight back.

This is EXACTLY what the ALT-RIGHT is accomplishing, albeit a slow process. Implementing some left tactics in order for it to be a fair(er)/more fair? fight. The problem is that the tactics suck because it forces you to look like an asshole. Ironically, the left already think everyone else are assholes, so they have basically said "enough is enough" and play the game, and it's working. The ALT-RIGHT have also pointed out the MSM propaganda machine shilling for Democrats daily. Daily. Anyone that can not see that CNN, WaPo, MSNBC, etc. are working with Democrats, I have nothing for you(figuratively). You're just going to have to wake the fuck up on your own.


Bottom line: Half of the country has been long silenced under Obama and we now have voices thanks to Trump being voted into the WH. I share quite a few conservative views on the world and conservatism is the new rebellion. Think about that for a minute. The script has been flipped as far as I'm concerned.

What are everyone's thoughts on a 'civil war'? I feel like it's starting already.

[mschmoyer]

How many people have the right shot since the election? How many riots have the right started since the election? How many speeches have the right protested and shut down since the election? How many elected Republican officials have instructed their base to "fight in the streets" since the election? And before anyone says "because the right won the election", those same questions could be asked about 2008 & 2012 and the answers would be the same.

Not taking sides here, but this is how "fake news" is started. We have one shooting which is unprecedented and suddenly there is a history that you can attach a political party to and add colorful details about without presenting unbiased evidence.

Also don't buy your argument about winners/losers. Losers will always fight. Both sides do it. Republicans are not saints, neither are democrats. In fact, trying to stereotype a party accounting for 50% of the citizens in the US is just plain dumb. We can dig up news to suit the narrative of either side for any election.

The only *new* variable is the age of social media. It magnifies every event beyond what news ever could do, and it enables mob mentality more than ever before. This shooter was likely encouraged and given opportunity in ways the past had not presented.

[juiceweezl]

There won't be a civil war. Maybe an event where one side gets crushed quickly. The left is bold and brave until the right draws a line in the sand and aims to defend it with their life. If that happens, the event will end quickly.

To me, it's all based on agendas. The left leaders are seeing a change. They are seeing more and more people begin to realize they need conservative values. They're also seeing that to make their (left) numbers grow, they need to prey on those snowflakes living in their safe spaces. They realize that they can't make any headway when you have to talk policies and use logic with those who can think for themselves. The left agenda is fading away, so this is their only chance to hold on to it. I'm hopeful that some will see the lunacy in this recent shooting an tell the left goodbye.

[Silverback]

there won't be a civil war until the middle and moderates have to stand up and pick a side or else. Most Republicans I know don't align with the ALT-Right and all of their extreme views, and most Democrats I know don't align with ANTIFA or any extreme left views. In fact most Republicans and Democrats I know ride the fence on issues that sway them from a straight party ticket. I think most people I associate with are fiscal conservatives, and social liberals. Not that they agree with everything on either side.

However, I do know many of the defend my party no matter what's as well, and tend to NOT associate regularly with them, simply because you can't squeeze blood from a turnip.

[TX_92_Notch]

Not taking sides here, but this is how "fake news" is started. We have one shooting which is unprecedented and suddenly there is a history that you can attach a political party to and add colorful details about without presenting unbiased evidence.

Also don't buy your argument about winners/losers. Losers will always fight. Both sides do it. Republicans are not saints, neither are democrats. In fact, trying to stereotype a party accounting for 50% of the citizens in the US is just plain dumb. We can dig up news to suit the narrative of either side for any election.

The only *new* variable is the age of social media. It magnifies every event beyond what news ever could do, and it enables mob mentality more than ever before. This shooter was likely encouraged and given opportunity in ways the past had not presented.

Yes the shooting is unprecedented (unless you consider the Dallas cop shooting by a left-wing nut job) but I see it as the next progression in the battle the far left is waging on anyone and everyone that doesn't agree with their views. Start with holding up signs, then throw eggs, then throw bricks, then drag people from their cars and beat them in the street, then attack political rallies, then murder opposing politicians. See how it goes?

The shooter is said to have asked someone standing near the baseball field "are those republicans or democrats on the field" a few minutes before he opened fire. Look at his FB page. The man was a leftist nut that snapped and attempted to murder a group of Republican politicians. If you can find a way to dismiss that as fake news, well, enjoy the darkness with your head buried in the sand.

Am I saying it's the entire Democratic party, no. That's why I said "far left". And of course the are nut jobs on the right. I never said there aren't. You cannot deny the riots, the shut down political rallies, the blatant attacks on motorists with Trump decals, etc. Nor can you deny that those offenses have happened exponentially more often after a Trump victory than they did from the right after the two Obama victories. Just imagine how much more we'd hear about if the MSM didn't lean so far left.

Yes, both sides fight. But the tactics are radically different, overall.