Jihad Arson suggested by ISIS on First Baptist Downtown Dallas

[AnthonyS]

You have a poor understanding of the middle east and of islam. There is a large muslim community in the dfw area, it would be good for you to interact with them and learn a bit. The exremists are minority, just like westboro is the minority of christians.

While true not without a lot of bias. Most christians don't lie for, feed, shelter, donate money, or by similar means support Westboro. Radical terrorsts get a lot of free passes and outright support from their religion.

[sc281]

I'm sure if ISIS needed some help with Jihad in the Metroplex, Mayor Rollins and Clay Jenkins would be more than willing to lend a hand...

mardyn

Fuck yes they would.

[LANTIRN]

While true not without a lot of bias. Most christians don't lie for, feed, shelter, donate money, or by similar means support Westboro. Radical terrorsts get a lot of free passes and outright support from their religion.

I tried googling examples of muslims denouncing radicals since I know I have heard stories of it fairly recently, but fucking google just wants to talk about the muslim ban. That will have to wait, I suppose.

I am not arguing the fact there appears to be a much higher rate of extremist support from muslims, generally speaking. What bothers me is that so many people want to lump all of them together and say they are all bad, or most of them are so fuck muslims. That is a problem. It is not much different than the attitude of the nazis with jews, and the stupid mob mentality we see every fucking day in this country could easily lead us down the same road. I agree with the travel ban. I agree with very intense screening if we are going to admit people into this country who are from certain areas. I agree our immigration system is fucked up. But I do not agree with the tendancy to lump all muslims together because some of them are bad (i don't even think it is a majority problem, personally).

[juiceweezl]

I agree with the travel ban. I agree with very intense screening if we are going to admit people into this country who are from certain areas. I agree our immigration system is fucked up. But I do not agree with the tendancy to lump all muslims together because some of them are bad (i don't even think it is a majority problem, personally).

The problem is that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...I hate when people lump others into stereotypes. Don't judge me or anyone else based on what you see or the very few facts you may know about me (or anyone else). I agree with the travel ban as well, and I definitely agree the current vetting system is lacking at best. I do not feel the ban is for Muslims as it's for anyone from those countries. They just happen to be a majority there. What will sorely disappoint me is that the ban period elapses and we haven't made any changes to the vetting system.

[Tx Redneck]

You have to admit there is a seious lack of Muslim community leaders regularly and loudly speaking out against jihad. You might see womens groups trying to establish interfaith relations...a coexist effort....but never a pleading and lamenting the case for the sanctity of human life to would-be jihad murderers.

All I ever hear about is how persecuted Muslims are from Muslims. Stuff like the local mosque meets rebel flag....eating at a fast food place and getting called raghead....draw the prophet cartoon ended with Garland officer shooting extremist....latest travel ban... And I talk with them daily, these are actual examples. In all fairness, we don't bring up jihad much...that would be weird.

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While true not without a lot of bias. Most christians don't lie for, feed, shelter, donate money, or by similar means support Westboro. Radical terrorsts get a lot of free passes and outright support from their religion.

Spot on gents.

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[AnthonyS]

It's really a sorry state of affairs. Because of the entire Shia/Sunni division within Islam there is no unifying good force from within. There is only distrust, hate, and secret support for terrorism. It's an ideology of repression, control, distrust, religious police (a lot like the KGB or SS), insane Imams, ridiculous laws, and no dissent or moderation from within. I work with the most educated people the Middle East has to offer. They are generous, kind, intelligent, courteous, and family oriented. They follow the rules because the consequences are literally unbearable.

The people you need to worry about are the stupid brainwashed masses with no education and no ability to think for themselves. Unfortunately, that's a pretty accurate description of most of these alleged "refugees." Ask yourselves why the financially able and more educated Middle East countries ban them 100%. Do you know the answer? If you do, then why are you wanting them here?

Did you see the great gains made in Egypt, Libya, and Syria as a result of US interference and a weak sauce State and Def dept? Do you want that in your backyard? Get ready because it's already here festering and waiting to erupt like a cancerous tumor. You want more tumors? How many tumors can you survive. I guarantee in my lifetime we will see IEDs and bombers blowing themselves up in Europe too. You'd like that here? That's your vision of America for your children and grandchildren just because you were scared to offend a religion and some retarded snowflakes and liberals? F that. Increased immigration screening and enforcement is the only wise choice.

[Gasser64]

I tried googling examples of muslims denouncing radicals since I know I have heard stories of it fairly recently, but fucking google just wants to talk about the muslim ban. That will have to wait, I suppose.

I am not arguing the fact there appears to be a much higher rate of extremist support from muslims, generally speaking. What bothers me is that so many people want to lump all of them together and say they are all bad, or most of them are so fuck muslims. That is a problem. It is not much different than the attitude of the nazis with jews, and the stupid mob mentality we see every fucking day in this country could easily lead us down the same road.

The difference is, Judaism doesn't preach that you need to kill or at the very least enslave all non-jews. The nazis just needed a scapegoat to further their political agenda. This is self defense. World of difference. Polled muslims largely support all those radical actions taken by others to convert the rest of the world to a muslim world. They believe in what is going on. Well fine, they can believe it all they like from their dumpster countries. Not here. I'm not sure why so many people think that we should be pleasant to, and take in all the world's trash. I'd like to see us just say that we have enough citizens, thanks. And we won't be accepting applications for any more. How many top shelf countries can you name, where things are going fine for the most part, that just say "come one, come all"?

I don't see why we have to be like that. Yes, this country needed immigration in order to get its start. Its start, is long since fucking over. We don't need immigrants anymore. Let them go and sort out their lives in their own countries. I can't understand why we're somehow obligated to help them with that.

[LANTIRN]

It's really a sorry state of affairs. Because of the entire Shia/Sunni division within Islam there is no unifying good force from within. There is only distrust, hate, and secret support for terrorism. It's an ideology of repression, control, distrust, religious police (a lot like the KGB or SS), insane Imams, ridiculous laws, and no dissent or moderation from within. I work with the most educated people the Middle East has to offer. They are generous, kind, intelligent, courteous, and family oriented. They follow the rules because the consequences are literally unbearable.

The people you need to worry about are the stupid brainwashed masses with no education and no ability to think for themselves. Unfortunately, that's a pretty accurate description of most of these alleged "refugees." Ask yourselves why the financially able and more educated Middle East countries ban them 100%. Do you know the answer? If you do, then why are you wanting them here?

Did you see the great gains made in Egypt, Libya, and Syria as a result of US interference and a weak sauce State and Def dept? Do you want that in your backyard? Get ready because it's already here festering and waiting to erupt like a cancerous tumor. You want more tumors? How many tumors can you survive. I guarantee in my lifetime we will see IEDs and bombers blowing themselves up in Europe too. You'd like that here? That's your vision of America for your children and grandchildren just because you were scared to offend a religion and some retarded snowflakes and liberals? F that. Increased immigration screening and enforcement is the only wise choice.

Very accurate insight. I agree with you 100%.

[LANTIRN]

The difference is, Judaism doesn't preach that you need to kill or at the very least enslave all non-jews. The nazis just needed a scapegoat to further their political agenda. This is self defense. World of difference. Polled muslims largely support all those radical actions taken by others to convert the rest of the world to a muslim world. They believe in what is going on. Well fine, they can believe it all they like from their dumpster countries. Not here. I'm not sure why so many people think that we should be pleasant to, and take in all the world's trash. I'd like to see us just say that we have enough citizens, thanks. And we won't be accepting applications for any more. How many top shelf countries can you name, where things are going fine for the most part, that just say "come one, come all"?

I don't see why we have to be like that. Yes, this country needed immigration in order to get its start. Its start, is long since fucking over. We don't need immigrants anymore. Let them go and sort out their lives in their own countries. I can't understand why we're somehow obligated to help them with that.

This is why the left says the right s racist and hates everyone. People with your views are the loudest and get the most attention, much like the muslim extremists vs the conservative and tolerant muslims that want peace. Our immigration system is broken and needs to be fixed, but does not need to be shut down. Some of the best Americans in history were born in other countries. Immigrants have and continue to bring a lot to our country.

I can go back in history and even into the bible and find many, many examples of jews and christians doing horrible and shitty things to others. The rule in human history is horrible things, the exception is tolerance and love. All peoples are guilty of both.

You have let yourself be brainwashed by the extreme rightwing. There are a lot of good muslims around and I am sure there is no shortage in DFW. You shouldn't have to serve in the military or be a contractor to find the good in a people who are in your own back yard, yet the most tolerant of muslims seem to be those of us who were in the military or contracted somewhere.

[Forever_frost]

I'll stick to hating Muslims. All of them. I'm okay with all names I'm called.

[Fastback]

This is why the left says the right s racist and hates everyone. People with your views are the loudest and get the most attention, much like the muslim extremists vs the conservative and tolerant muslims that want peace. Our immigration system is broken and needs to be fixed, but does not need to be shut down. Some of the best Americans in history were born in other countries. Immigrants have and continue to bring a lot to our country.

I can go back in history and even into the bible and find many, many examples of jews and christians doing horrible and shitty things to others. The rule in human history is horrible things, the exception is tolerance and love. All peoples are guilty of both.

You have let yourself be brainwashed by the extreme rightwing. There are a lot of good muslims around and I am sure there is no shortage in DFW. You shouldn't have to serve in the military or be a contractor to find the good in a people who are in your own back yard, yet the most tolerant of muslims seem to be those of us who were in the military or contracted somewhere.

Like you, I'm no hater, I think moderate Muslims do not speak up because extremists are bullies. But, Gasser64 has a point here in that Judaism and Christianity---the Torah/Bible do not call for "Jihad".

Yes, there was the Crusades. And (the Romans, on behalf of) the Jews crucified Christ--this was at the bidding of the Pharisees (a demonic set of church leaders, indeed.) But, this is not biblical behavior. The Crusades are believed to have been a military defensive whereas the act of Jihad is called for in the Qu'ran. It's Holocaust-like. My point is it is not Christians and Jews doing suicide bombings, etc. while the majority of Muslims say very little against it. There are many scriptures:

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."


Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

[Forever_frost]

And the Crusades were a response to centuries of Islamic terror and jihad

[Gasser64]

This is why the left says the right s racist and hates everyone. People with your views are the loudest and get the most attention, much like the muslim extremists vs the conservative and tolerant muslims that want peace. Our immigration system is broken and needs to be fixed, but does not need to be shut down. Some of the best Americans in history were born in other countries. Immigrants have and continue to bring a lot to our country.

That's their problem, not mine. Why? For the simple fact that I'm not a racist. And neither are others like me. Its got nothing to do with race, and never has. They could all be Russians and I'd have the exact same stance. Wouldn't change even a tiny bit. Of course Russians don't really do the whole islam thing for the most part, but you get the idea. They could all be "white". Don't give a fuck. Its their obvious intent to commit acts of terrorism and to do everything they can to convert the western world to their evil way of life. Pass. They're evil people with an evil way of life. Death to 'em. And who's the real racist? The guy who cares about their evil ways and not their skin color, or the guy who can't get over that the people with the evil ways, just so happen to have a certain skin color?

I can go back in history and even into the bible and find many, many examples of jews and christians doing horrible and shitty things to others. The rule in human history is horrible things, the exception is tolerance and love. All peoples are guilty of both.

You have let yourself be brainwashed by the extreme rightwing. There are a lot of good muslims around and I am sure there is no shortage in DFW. You shouldn't have to serve in the military or be a contractor to find the good in a people who are in your own back yard, yet the most tolerant of muslims seem to be those of us who were in the military or contracted somewhere.

When it comes to the jews and the christians, that's the same thing as blaming bush. Fuck bush. Lets focus on NOW. Yeah, they were bastards. Are they now? And does that mean all the sudden that two wrongs make a right? Should we live in the past like the muslims? I don't except any guilt, for I am not guilty. Those dead people in the past are the only ones who that will be placed on. Ok so human history is bloody and looks bad. Fine. Lets change it. We see the error, now we can correct it. Nothing is set in stone, and it doesn't have to continue to be that way. Letting barbarians into the walled garden is just going to get you more of the same.

As for brainwashed, I disagree. I have simply viewed the facts, and formed my own opinion. If I am to be labeled extreme right wing for that, then so be it. I consider myself more of a libertarian, but these days libertarians are all called extreme right wing. Far extreme right wing, actually. Libertarian doesn't mean "no law, no government" and it damn sure doesn't mean "come one, come all" or "i have to let any violent and evil people come to my land and kill me because that's better than having government tell them they can't".

[LANTIRN]

That's their problem, not mine. Why? For the simple fact that I'm not a racist. And neither are others like me. Its got nothing to do with race, and never has. They could all be Russians and I'd have the exact same stance. Wouldn't change even a tiny bit. Of course Russians don't really do the whole islam thing for the most part, but you get the idea. They could all be "white". Don't give a fuck. Its their obvious intent to commit acts of terrorism and to do everything they can to convert the western world to their evil way of life. Pass. They're evil people with an evil way of life. Death to 'em. And who's the real racist? The guy who cares about their evil ways and not their skin color, or the guy who can't get over that the people with the evil ways, just so happen to have a certain skin color?



When it comes to the jews and the christians, that's the same thing as blaming bush. Fuck bush. Lets focus on NOW. Yeah, they were bastards. Are they now? And does that mean all the sudden that two wrongs make a right? Should we live in the past like the muslims? I don't except any guilt, for I am not guilty. Those dead people in the past are the only ones who that will be placed on. Ok so human history is bloody and looks bad. Fine. Lets change it. We see the error, now we can correct it. Nothing is set in stone, and it doesn't have to continue to be that way. Letting barbarians into the walled garden is just going to get you more of the same.

As for brainwashed, I disagree. I have simply viewed the facts, and formed my own opinion. If I am to be labeled extreme right wing for that, then so be it. I consider myself more of a libertarian, but these days libertarians are all called extreme right wing. Far extreme right wing, actually. Libertarian doesn't mean "no law, no government" and it damn sure doesn't mean "come one, come all" or "i have to let any violent and evil people come to my land and kill me because that's better than having government tell them they can't".

I like the part where your solution to a bloody and violent human history is to change it, which means killing all the Muslims.