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    [B]Court: No Right to Carry Concealed Weapons in Public[/B]




    Dealing a blow to gun supporters, a federal appeals court ruled Thursday that Americans do not have a constitutional right to carry concealed weapons in public.

    In a dispute that could ultimately wind up before the Supreme Court, a divided 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said local law enforcement officials can place significant restrictions on who is allowed to carry concealed guns.

    By a vote of 7-4, the court upheld a California law that says applicants must cite a "good cause" to obtain a concealed-carry permit. Typically, people who are being stalked or threatened, celebrities who fear for their safety, and those who routinely carry large amounts of cash or other valuables are granted permits.

    "We hold that the Second Amendment does not preserve or protect a right of a member of the general public to carry concealed firearms in public," Circuit Judge William A. Fletcher wrote for the majority.

    The ruling overturned a 2014 decision by a three-judge panel of the same court that said applicants need only express a desire for personal safety.

    In a dissent, Circuit Judge Consuelo M. Callahan said the ruling "obliterates the Second Amendment's right to bear a firearm in some manner in public for self-defense."

    Three other federal appeals courts have ruled similarly in the past, upholding California-like restrictions in New York, Maryland and New Jersey. In addition, another federal appeals court struck down Illinois' complete ban on carrying concealed weapons.

    The 9th Circuit covers nine Western states, but California and Hawaii are the only ones in which the ruling will have any practical effect. The others do not require permit applicants to cite a "good cause." Anyone in those states with a clean record and no history of mental illness can get a permit.

    The National Rifle Association called the ruling "out of touch."

    "This decision will leave good people defenseless, as it completely ignores the fact that law-abiding Californians who reside in counties with hostile sheriffs will now have no means to carry a firearm outside the home for personal protection," said NRA legislative chief Chris W. Cox.

    The New York-based gun control organization Everytown hailed the decision as "a major victory for public safety."

    The California case began in 2009, when Edward Peruta filed a legal challenge over the San Diego County sheriff's refusal to issue him a permit. Peruta said he wanted a weapon to protect himself, but the sheriff said he needed a better reason, such as that his occupation exposes him to robbery.

    Peruta, who is known as something of a legal gadfly, said he is neither a hunter, collector or target shooter but challenged the law because he believed it violated the Constitution. The NRA joined him in fighting the law.

    The San Diego Sheriff's Department said Thursday that since the 9th Circuit tossed out the law two years ago, it has received 2,463 applications from people seeking a concealed-weapon permit without having to show good cause.

    Sheriff's lawyer Robert Faigan said the department hasn't processed those applications and will continue to hold on to them while it waits to see what the Supreme Court does.



  • #2
    Originally posted by cyclonescott View Post
    The New York-based gun control organization Everytown hailed the decision as "a major victory for public safety."
    Yet the gang violence in Stockton, Oakland, etc. remains unaffected, as does any other gun related crimes that were already going to happen. These gun control nuts have the inability to grasp simple logic, laws do not affect lawless individuals or actions.

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    • #3
      That ruling goes against several recent rulings including the supreme court decision against the DC permits. Shouldn't hold up if it goes to the supreme court.
      I don't like Republicans, but I really FUCKING hate Democrats.


      Sex with an Asian woman is great, but 30 minutes later you're horny again.

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      • #4
        Personally I think we should do away with concealed weapons permits. If you have to go through a background check to purchase a firearm why do you need a license to carry one concealed?
        Last edited by cyclonescott; 06-09-2016, 06:26 PM.

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        • #5
          A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.”
          ~George Washington

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SBFORDTECH View Post
            A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.”
            ~George Washington
            Agree.

            The sad part is that in this day and age, the average person possesses a level of reading comprehension far to low to understand that, but they can totally grasp, "gunz r bad."

            See that's where liberals have conservatives, libertarians, and reasonable people beat. They pander to the idiots and idiots have lots of time to vote because they don't have anything else to do between waiting for welfare checks.

            I blame the educational system.

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            • #7
              Gun control and many other things go hand in hand on the ignorance or stupidity of a lot of folks. Other groups I'm on (snakes, nature...etc) exhibit the same basic whining.

              i.e. Day care, little kid gets bit by copperhead. Staff knew it was copperhead, handled it correctly and the kid lived/is recovering. People flipped out saying play area should be thoroughly inspected and snakes removed. Wanted staff fired...etc...etc.

              1. Staff did look for critters
              2. Could clearly see the snake was at their fence line and probably wondered in
              3. You can be staring right at some snakes and miss them unless they move or something.

              Point being, whether in an urban day care or wondering the streets. It's only an illusion of security, the snakes can get in at anytime. It's how it's handled from there that matters.

              Don't get me wrong - you want them to take precautions, but there are only so many things that can be done for security.
              Originally posted by MR EDD
              U defend him who use's racial slurs like hes drinking water.

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