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Originally posted by Mach1 View PostAnything to back this up, that would be massive if it went public and would explain the new surge
Tomorrow, I'll see what else I can find that is more recent and telling. But we see this beginning back in May in this post at:
According to guidance provided by the Texas Department of State Health Services (DSHS), Texas will soon begin implementing a new definition for COVID-19 cases that has the potential to significantly and artificially increase case totals. Prior to this new guidance, Collin County and Texas have been reporting “confirmed” cases based upon laboratory PCR (polymerase chain reaction) tests which detect SARS-CoV-2 RNA in a clinical specimen. According to DSHS, Texas will now begin reporting “probable” cases in addition to “confirmed” cases. To qualify as a "probable" COVID-19 case, a person must meet any two of three criteria categories: • Clinical Criteria • Epidemiologic Linkage Criteria • Presumptive Laboratory Evidence Criteria The problem with this new "probable" definition strategy is in the details. First, take a look at the Epidemiologic Linkage Criteria. There are four possible options for a person to meet this requirement. But #3 is the critical one. Epidemiologic Linkage Criteria Patient meets the epidemiologic linkage criteria if she has had one or more of the following exposures in the 14 days prior to onset of symptoms: • Close contact with a confirmed or probable case of COVID-19 • Close contact with a person with clinically compatible illness AND linkage to a confirmed case of COVID-19 disease • Travel to or residence in an area with sustained, ongoing community transmission of COVID-19. • Member of a group defined as high risk during an outbreak (ex. symptomatic residents of a nursing home where at least one laboratory confirmed COVID-19 case has been identified). Any person who resides in an area with sustained, ongoing community transmission of COVID-19 meets the standard for the Epidemiologic Linkage Criteria. Because we now have sustained, ongoing community transmission of COVID-19 in Collin County, every resident of the county meets this criteria. Therefore, every resident of Collin County who also meets either the Clinical Criteria or the Presumptive Laboratory Evidence Criteria will now be considered a "probable" COVID-19 case. Now look at the Clinical Criteria. Clinical Criteria Patient meets the clinical criteria if no alternative diagnosis is more likely, and patient meets one of the three criteria below: • At least two of the following symptoms are present: Headache, sore throat, fever (measured or subjective), chills, rigors, myalgia, or new olfactory and taste disorder(s) • At least one of the following symptoms are present: Cough, shortness of breath, or difficulty breathing • Patient has severe respiratory illness with either (a) clinical or radiographic evidence of pneumonia, or (b) acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) Any Collin County resident who exhibits two minor symptoms, or exhibits one major symptom, or has clinical evidence of pneumonia, and does not have a more likely diagnosis, will meet the Clinical Criteria in addition to the Epidemiologic Linkage Criteria and will become a "probable" COVID-19 case. It is also possible to meet the definition of a "probable" COVID-19 case without exhibiting any symptoms at all, by meeting the Epidemiologic Linkage Criteria and the Presumptive Laboratory Evidence Criteria. Any Collin County resident who tests positive for IgG (Immunoglobulin G) or IgM (Immunoglobulin M) on an antibody test will meet two of the three criteria and will also become a "probable" COVID-19 case. Presumptive Laboratory Evidence Criteria • Detection of a specific antigen (Ag) or a specific antibody (IgG or IgM) in serum, plasma, or blood. Lastly, the state is also changing the manner in which COVID-19 related deaths are reported. Currently, a death in our community is reported as COVID-19 related only if a laboratory test had been completed and confirmed. Under the new DSHS guidance, any individual whose death certificate lists COVID-19 as a cause of death or a significant condition contributing to death (even when no confirmatory laboratory testing was performed) will be included in the COVID-19 death totals. There are significant reasons to be concerned with this new reporting criteria, both for “probable” cases and COVID-19 related deaths. First, the very nature of the “probable” case definition has the potential to cause a spike in the number of cases, many of which will likely be false positives. As businesses, families, and institutions work diligently towards reopening, the artificial increase in COVID-19 cases will undoubtedly increase the anxiety level for many in our community, while leading others to distrust the reports provided by the state health department. The new definition will also cause additional people to be subject to quarantine orders, some for such insignificant reasons as (1) residing in Collin County and (2) having shortness of breath. Others who don't want to risk a false diagnosis of COVID-19 will be tempted to conceal symptoms like headaches, fever, and coughing. None of these help us stop the spread of COVID-19, nor do they strike a prudent balance between public health priorities and individual concerns. Second, this new strategy places a counterproductive stress on our public health department resources, as every new “probable” case must be investigated in the same manner as a confirmed case, and contact tracing of “probable” cases will lead to bloated lists of persons under monitoring. The introduction of this new “probable” case definition does not serve the public good or our public health. This is not the way to keep our communities healthy.
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Also, you probably heard about that lady doctor who is treating covid positive local families with hydroxychloroquine, having 100% success, usually seeing them turn around in 24 hours even. But the pharmacies have started demanding a diagnosis and won't fill the scripts without one. And they will not fill it for a covid diagnosis! She is having to lie, saying they had I think Lupus or some shit. Well it's supposedly to stop "stock piling". I mean, maybe it is, but it rubbed a lot of us the wrong way. Tired of these fools and the insurance companies always trying to overreach into the doctor's role and force his/her hand. Here is that policy. Likely CDC via WHO via CCP.
Additionally, one last rant and then I'll shut up. I talked to a lifelong friend of mine up in Oregon where the homeless congregate in the tent cities that just no less than 20 years ago were the green spaces that were regarded and treated swell, you know no littering and save the spotted owl---kill a lumberjack and all that b.s. He said there's barely anything open and no jobs at all bc the civil unrest and covid. Except, there are lots of pot stores everywhere. More pot than starbucks were his words. Well, he had to go to the doctor the other day. The doctors were talking to each other and he overheard them say all about the weed they were smoking. He said he's cool or whatever, but just was uncomfortable with that. Like, wtf are you gonna be stoned during my surgery, bruh? Jk my friend doesn't sound at all gnarly like that. But the rest is true. The culture there is changing things we traditionally esteem. Nasty ass city with junkie needle shootup booths in the park where kids are. I mean even if you shoot drugs and you're reading this. You know that's some nasty shit ruining people's lives and Oregon is making it seem normal by doing that. That's the message to the kids.
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Originally posted by Fastback View PostI just found out that in several Texas counties, every time a person tests positive for Covid they do the contact tracing which is usually 16-17 other people. And then without testing those contacts, they are just automatically saying they are positive. Those untested people are now part of the statrickery This means take Dallas County's covids count and divide by 15. That is more truthful.
So we continue to try to inflate these numbers. This is per the CDC. I wonder if the CDC will ever be free of the WHO.Originally posted by Mach1 View PostAnything to back this up, that would be massive if it went public and would explain the new surge
Also curious the other day when I asked someone about a really old relative having Covid they were in contact with recently, she stated that "No the hospital was positive she got it while at the hospital", tested negative on entry with most likely a mortal condition and then now has it when probably not going to make it. Sketchy?Last edited by kingjason; 07-09-2020, 12:16 PM.Whos your Daddy?
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Not sure about other counties but this doc from Dallas County shows only confirmed PCR tests, PCR tests are for active infections.
"The validity of results based on antibody tests is not yet known. This summary report includes only confirmed cases based on PCR test results."
"PCR tests look for pieces of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, in the nose, throat, or other areas in the respiratory tract to determine if the person has an active infection."
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