2 US Navy boats and 10 prisoners seized by Iran in Persian Gulf

[Tremor14]

i could actually care less in the instance. the only reason i care a little bit is to for the safety of our troops.

[KBScobravert]

Ok... Ummm.

1. Spec ops boats run out of fuel/gps fail...
2. Heavily armed spec ops boats manned by nerds...
3. 2nd spec ops boats goes in for rescue without tow rope...
4. Ummm... Sounds like a spec ops operation?!
5. Hint. Hint. Hint.
6. Just sayin.

From what I read, the boat had engine troubles and drifted into to Iranian waters. If they were already skirting it and not paying attention when they lost their engine, totally plausible.

The second boat should have self recovered but we weren't there and they could have been doing that when the Iranians pulled up on them. They tried to talk their way out when more Iranians pulled up. Dead in the water, out numbered and out gunned, it would have been a fish in the barrel type of slaughter....we go to war at that point.

Lots of guns on the boat but I would be shocked if they had a single round. You don't see the videos posted showing any ammunition, just the weapons.

SEALS don't drive these boats, regular Navy and you get what you see in the video.

[ceyko]

If that's the case, I fully blame the sailors for not only getting caught, but to roll over like puppies. If they go on a mission while armed as they were, they call in for assistance. I laughed at the Iraqis that threw their hands up as soon as they saw American Forces coming in.

That apology by the sailor was not only bullshit, but it was also a violation of the Military Code of Conduct.

Granted, I was not there, but I hope that the sailors' surrender was, in fact, a means of last resort.

I'll bust on Sailors/the USN any chance I get (As I do AF and USMC), but I can see how this could happen (roll over like puppies part).

1. I suspect their ROE were retarded and they could not defend themselves either way....

2. I have to assume they were on their radio with the chain-of-command...something like "Sir, we're about get f'ed up here" and were told to surrender or otherwise given permission.

Understand, I'm not saying you're wrong - just another possibility assuming these were not a bunch of specops folks...etc.

I also don't buy that both boats broke down, but I could buy that 1 boat had a person in command, that f'ed up and led both boats into the wrong spot. Regardless if that person was being corrected and they were getting out of dodge or not - I could see that happening. (Also, just 1 of them could've ended up in restricted water and gave enough of a reason to overtake both of them)

I agree 100% with the apology. Unsure if USN and/or AF concern themselves as much with that stuff as the USA/USMC do. I'm sure violations happen all of the time though with POWs - I'm not going to hate on that too much.

[helosailor]

From what I read, the boat had engine troubles and drifted into to Iranian waters. If they were already skirting it and not paying attention when they lost their engine, totally plausible.

The second boat should have self recovered but we weren't there and they could have been doing that when the Iranians pulled up on them. They tried to talk their way out when more Iranians pulled up. Dead in the water, out numbered and out gunned, it would have been a fish in the barrel type of slaughter....we go to war at that point.

Lots of guns on the boat but I would be shocked if they had a single round. You don't see the videos posted showing any ammunition, just the weapons.

SEALS don't drive these boats, regular Navy and you get what you see in the video.

I highly doubt that either boat had engine problems and drifted off course, as mentioned in what I posted before. They got caught with their dicks out, and this was the end result. Also, SWCC guys are nowhere near regular Navy. They go through a lot more intensive training that 98% of other Sailors. Hell, even VBSS training didn't hold a candle to what these guys go through.

I'll bust on Sailors/the USN any chance I get (As I do AF and USMC), but I can see how this could happen (roll over like puppies part).

1. I suspect their ROE were retarded and they could not defend themselves either way....

2. I have to assume they were on their radio with the chain-of-command...something like "Sir, we're about get f'ed up here" and were told to surrender or otherwise given permission.

Understand, I'm not saying you're wrong - just another possibility assuming these were not a bunch of specops folks...etc.

I also don't buy that both boats broke down, but I could buy that 1 boat had a person in command, that f'ed up and led both boats into the wrong spot. Regardless if that person was being corrected and they were getting out of dodge or not - I could see that happening. (Also, just 1 of them could've ended up in restricted water and gave enough of a reason to overtake both of them)

I agree 100% with the apology. Unsure if USN and/or AF concern themselves as much with that stuff as the USA/USMC do. I'm sure violations happen all of the time though with POWs - I'm not going to hate on that too much.

See my previous post. We got caught doing stuff we didn't want to get caught doing, and this is the cover story.

[KBScobravert]

I highly doubt that either boat had engine problems and drifted off course, as mentioned in what I posted before. They got caught with their dicks out, and this was the end result. Also, SWCC guys are nowhere near regular Navy. They go through a lot more intensive training that 98% of other Sailors. Hell, even VBSS training didn't hold a candle to what these guys go through.


See my previous post. We got caught doing stuff we didn't want to get caught doing, and this is the cover story.

White socks though. Operators wear green or black.

Why would Iran not counter the engine claims if it weren't true?

[Baron Von Crowder]

White socks though. Operators wear green or black.

Why would Iran not counter the engine claims if it weren't true?

[helosailor]

White socks though. Operators wear green or black.

Why would Iran not counter the engine claims if it weren't true?

Real operators wear whatever they want.
And the engines may have "malfunctioned" when they realized they were caught.

[46Tbird]

We got caught doing stuff we didn't want to get caught doing, and this is the cover story.

This.

This is Iran rubbing our nose in shit for something we did. No truthful explanation is going to come either side. Their government knows what happened, and our government knows what happened, but you and I are not going to know.

If all the fallout that happens from this incident is a few pictures of US military members in an embarrassing surrender pose, then our government is perfectly happy to keep mum.

[BoostedD1]

This is what I was referring to. Those are supposed to be SWCC?! If so those peeps are out of shape. I for one don't buy it.

[mstng86]

They were decoys

[BoostedD1]

[Tremor14]

dog it's 2:00 in the afternoon. If you have enough time to watch a 45 minute video, then you are part of the problem.

[BoostedD1]

Meh... I watched it during lunch. The 1st 12 minutes or so are the main part. I also had not noticed that they put a rag on the female hostage...

[KBScobravert]

Meh... I watched it during lunch. The 1st 12 minutes or so are the main part. I also had not noticed that they put a rag on the female hostage...

for the same reason none of them are wearing footwear. it's a islam culture thing. no footwear indoors where they pray and bitches cover their hair.

[Baba Ganoush]

What an embarrassment.