Obama on TV right now assuring the USA is safe this weekend

[helosailor]

This just in: Entire military court-martialed for not staging violent coup d'etat.

[Jimbo]

... and saying no state has the legal right to refuse refugees...

That killed me. I would like to know what he was thinking of. Certainly not the United STATES of America.
This republic was founded with the power of the States in mind.

[Mike]

This just in: Entire military court-martialed for not staging violent coup d'etat.

Solid meme

[Gasser64]

This just in: Entire military court-martialed for not staging violent coup d'etat.

So, like when the founding fathers did it? What exactly was the outcome of their court martial? Can't seem to remember what went on with that, for some reason. I mean they formed a military and all, so you have that part. Shit I just can't remember the outcome of that court martial!

Plus they've got the means to make it completely nonviolent. I mean, just sayin'. They could do it without spilling a drop of blood.

"You're all under arrest for treason, and failure to uphold your oath to the constitution of the U.S". And yes, I do consider wiping your ass with the constitution to be treason.

I'm sure you're all more than capable of imagining what I'm referring to here. If they did that, and put people in the offices who fully supported the constitution, they'd only up upholding their oath.

[YALE]

That killed me. I would like to know what he was thinking of. Certainly not the United STATES of America.
This republic was founded with the power of the States in mind.

The power of the states alone? Was it now?

[Jimbo]

The power of the states alone? Was it now?

No, and that wasn't my assertion.

I was thinking more of the ninth and tenth amendments.

[helosailor]

So, like when the founding fathers did it? What exactly was the outcome of their court martial? Can't seem to remember what went on with that, for some reason. I mean they formed a military and all, so you have that part. Shit I just can't remember the outcome of that court martial!

Plus they've got the means to make it completely nonviolent. I mean, just sayin'. They could do it without spilling a drop of blood.

"You're all under arrest for treason, and failure to uphold your oath to the constitution of the U.S". And yes, I do consider wiping your ass with the constitution to be treason.

I'm sure you're all more than capable of imagining what I'm referring to here. If they did that, and put people in the offices who fully supported the constitution, they'd only up upholding their oath.

I don't even know where to start with this. Like when the founding fathers did it? Have you ever even actually read an American history book? That's not even a little close to how any of it happened.

And any overthrow is going to be violent. Horribly violent. More violent than you could imagine. It's not like those in power will be like, "Oh, y'all don't like me? Okay, I'll go.".

Who's going to arrest the military for treason? You? Me? The police department of 'merica? Who are they going to arrest?

What you're suggesting is so far beyond ridiculous, that it's actually kind of impressive that someone could be delusional enough to come up with it.

Your utter lack of real world experiences is showing here. the VAST majority of personnel in the U.S. military, from top to bottom, absolutely detest the D.C. machine, and the whole way it works. BUT, they have enough integrity and common sense not to shed American blood on American soil. Civil disobedience might work, but the level of coordination required would be all but impossible to formulate. If there's even a hint that the brass isn't going to toe the line for the bureaucrats, they get shit-canned with a quickness.
If we want change, it's up to the citizens, just as the...wait for it...constitution intended.

[Tremor14]

^^^ but as soon as any civilians start trying to do something they get labeled.. i think it goes something like, "limp dicked liberal hipsterqueer bangin obammie lovers" or something to that effect.

regardless of what you all say, the Occupy movement was a fucking gloriously beautiful thing. If you sat on your couch and didnt go and engage with any of the people participating then you really missed out.

[helosailor]

I wasn't singling out any "side". But yes, the Occupy movement, whether you agree with them or not, were generally exercising their constitutional rights. We, the people, do have the power to effect change. The vast majority would just rather sit on the couch and yell at the tv than do something about it...like vote.

[helosailor]

Not too far fetched, from what I hear anymore. I think there is a very large military population that would get behind some kind of well organized, meaningful revolt. Then there are even more who wouldn't do a thing to try and stop it.

I dunno. The enlisted folks that I knew wouldn't shed American blood on American soil. And most of the officers, well, weren't the kind of leadership material to organize something so grand. Sure, a lot of the military would get behind something to give the power back to the people, but I seriously doubt that they would lead and/or organize it.

[helosailor]

They definitely wouldn't lead or even organize it, but I think enough of them would support it one way or another to make a difference and to dissuade the rest to form any kind of resistance.

But we should go ahead and send the 'Murica Police Derpartment to throw them treasonous military peoples all in the jails because they aren't following the constitution and storming the palaces and locking the bourgeoisie up before we behead them...ya know, like Benjamin Franklin did.

[helosailor]

Agreed on all points.

It's a shit sandwich, and we're all gonna have to take a bite.

[Gasser64]

I dunno. The enlisted folks that I knew wouldn't shed American blood on American soil. And most of the officers, well, weren't the kind of leadership material to organize something so grand. Sure, a lot of the military would get behind something to give the power back to the people, but I seriously doubt that they would lead and/or organize it.

Have I read a history book.. have you? You do realize that back then they were part of the empire, right? What they did would be pretty much the exact thing that would go on now. If you can't see any similarities, then I really have no business arguing with you. "American soil".. lol. Like its somehow never happened before, and is sacred.

Also they'd find it very difficult to continue shredding the constitution, or to charge the military with treason, or do anything at all, from a jail cell.

Regardless, I'm starting to see less and less alternatives. The socialists aren't going to stop until they either achieve their distopian future.

[helosailor]

Have I read a history book.. have you? You do realize that back then they were part of the empire, right? What they did would be pretty much the exact thing that would go on now. If you can't see any similarities, then I really have no business arguing with you. "American soil".. lol. Like its somehow never happened before, and is sacred.

Also they'd find it very difficult to continue shredding the constitution, or to charge the military with treason, or do anything at all, from a jail cell.

Regardless, I'm starting to see less and less alternatives. The socialists aren't going to stop until they either achieve their distopian future.

Listen, you ignorant fuck, Just because you "read a history book" doesn't necessarily mean jack shit. My bookcase is full of history books, and the majority are American history and military history. The vast majority of the American leaders of the revolution had NO military experience, in anyone's military, but you probably already knew that since you read A history book. Have you ever placed in the top three in a statewide American history competition? How long did you serve in the military? Do you have dozens of friends still serving, and deployed everywhere? You don't have the slightest clue what the fuck you're talking about. As usual, you contribute nothing.

[CWO]

Have I read a history book.. have you? You do realize that back then they were part of the empire, right? What they did would be pretty much the exact thing that would go on now. If you can't see any similarities, then I really have no business arguing with you. "American soil".. lol. Like its somehow never happened before, and is sacred.

Also they'd find it very difficult to continue shredding the constitution, or to charge the military with treason, or do anything at all, from a jail cell.

Regardless, I'm starting to see less and less alternatives. The socialists aren't going to stop until they either achieve their distopian future.

You're a disrespectful nothing. A fucking clown shoe.