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    Greeks Line Up at Banks and Drain ATMs as Tsipras Calls Vote

    Greece’s banks may need an injection of fresh emergency funds to operate Monday as people rushed to pull out money after Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras called a referendum that could decide his country’s fate in the euro.
    Two senior Greek retail bank executives said as many as 500 of the country’s more than 7,000 ATMs had run out of cash as of Saturday morning, and that some lenders may not be able to open on Monday unless there was an emergency liquidity injection from the Bank of Greece. An official with Greece’s Capital Markets Commission, the markets’ regulator, also warned that the Athens Stock Exchange may be unable to operate on Monday without a cash injection into the banking system. A Greek central bank spokesman said it was making efforts to supply money.

    The European Central Bank’s governing council was expected to hold a conference call on Sunday to review the banks’ liquidity condition, said a Greek official, who asked not to be named in line with policy. The Frankfurt-based central bank said in a twitter post that it’s closely monitoring developments and would review the situation “in due course.”

    Some banks were placing limits in daily cash transactions. Yiota Kardogianni, a manager at a branch of Piraeus Bank SA, said cash withdrawals were limited at 3,000 euros ($3,350) daily and ATM withdrawals at 600 euros. Alpha Bank AE had set a daily limit of 5,000 euros for most of its branches since last week.
    “I’m here to take my mother’s pension out before the machine runs out of cash,” said Erato Spyropoulou, who was standing in a line of about eight people at one of National Bank of Greece SA’s ATMs. “It’s very worrying what’s happening because people don’t know what they’re being asked to vote for. It’s the last nail in Greece’s coffin.”

    Euro-area finance ministers rejected Greece’s request for a one-month extension of its aid program, which expires Tuesday, shutting down any last chance for a financial stopgap until the referendum is held.
    After withdrawing more than 30 billion euros as the anti-austerity Coalition of the Radical Left, or Syriza, took power, depositors are now reacting to the latest twist in the five-month standoff with European leaders and creditors. One banker said 110 million euros had been withdrawn from his institution as of 11:30 a.m. Athens time on Saturday.

    The European Central Bank has been reviewing liquidity conditions at Greek banks daily in the past week. Banking officials in Athens said they were expecting a shortage of euro notes by as early as Saturday evening. They asked not to be named because of the sensitivity of the matter.
    Greek bank deposits by businesses and households fell to 129.9 billion euros in May from 133.7 billion euros the month before, according to data released by Bank of Greece on its website on Thursday.
    The Bank of Greece is making every possible effort to supply the financial system with liquidity, a central bank official said on condition of anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to speak on the matter publicly. Officials from National Bank of Greece, Alpha, Piraeus and Eurobank Ergasias SA, the nation’s four biggest banks, all declined to comment.

    “Greek legislation allows either the Bank of Greece governor or the finance ministry to impose capital restrictions,” George Saravelos, foreign exchange strategist at Deutsche Bank AG, wrote in a note to clients. “The extent to which this materializes will depend on the ECB decision over the next 48 hours as well as depositor behavior.”
    Some branches of Alpha Bank in central Athens that normally open for business on Saturdays remained shut and one carried a sign that it wouldn’t open. Only a few banks near central shopping and tourist areas are usually open on Saturdays.

    About 100 people had lined up at a Piraeus Bank branch at a central Athens street before it opened. Some said they had waited for about three hours. Once word got out that the bank wouldn’t open, one elderly woman fainted.
    As an ambulance pulled by to take her away, others spewed vitriol at everyone from the Greek prime minister to Germany.
    “Tsipras said he would turn things around, but things are only going to get worse,” said Stavros, a 61-year-old retired sailor, who was lining up to withdraw his pension. He said he was initially planning to go to the bank on Monday but decided to line up on Saturday when he heard about the government’s referendum plans.
    He said he won’t be able to pay his mortgage if the banking system doesn’t open on Monday.
    Time to pay the piper socialists.
    "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
    "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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    Saw that earlier on Drudge. Should be interesting to watch.
    I don't like Republicans, but I really FUCKING hate Democrats.


    Sex with an Asian woman is great, but 30 minutes later you're horny again.

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    • #3
      Bailout enroute.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Denny View Post
        Bailout enroute.
        How many times are they going to take other country's money and burn it before they wise up? They've failed, this is just a waste of time.
        "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
        "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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        • #5
          Originally posted by CJ View Post
          How many times are they going to take other country's money and burn it before they wise up? They've failed, this is just a waste of time.
          They'll keep getting bailed out by the rest of the EU until they can find a way to part ways without disrupting their own economies. Germany is fed up, for sure! But until that time, Greece and any other two-bit country associated with the EU will be able to have a field day.

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          • #6
            I LOVE seeing the fruits of socialism but we should not gloat too much. The same thing is going to happen here within most of our lifetimes.
            Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by svo855 View Post
              I LOVE seeing the fruits of socialism but we should not gloat too much. The same thing is going to happen here within most of our lifetimes.
              Americans won't handle it as well as others in other parts of the world.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Denny View Post
                Americans won't handle it as well as others in other parts of the world.
                I'm going raping and pillaging.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Denny View Post
                  Americans won't handle it as well as others in other parts of the world.
                  That aint no shit. Remember the weekend the EBT cards got shut off. That was holy hell...
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                  • #10
                    Will be interesting. On one hand, contagion should be relatively limited and I think Germany is sick enough of Greece's shit to tell them to go pound sand. On the other hand, Grexit is a pivotal move that could trigger the downfall of the Euro ... and I guarantee you the one thing Germany doesn't want is the collapse of the Euro.
                    Originally posted by davbrucas
                    I want to like Slow99 since people I know say he's a good guy, but just about everything he posts is condescending and passive aggressive.

                    Most people I talk to have nothing but good things to say about you, but you sure come across as a condescending prick. Do you have an inferiority complex you've attempted to overcome through overachievement? Or were you fondled as a child?

                    You and slow99 should date. You both have passive aggressiveness down pat.

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                    • #11
                      Yea, this shit is about to get crazy. We'll see the real crazy on Wednesday or Thursday.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by slow99 View Post
                        Will be interesting. On one hand, contagion should be relatively limited and I think Germany is sick enough of Greece's shit to tell them to go pound sand. On the other hand, Grexit is a pivotal move that could trigger the downfall of the Euro ... and I guarantee you the one thing Germany doesn't want is the collapse of the Euro.
                        They'll put up with it a little longer since they have more to lose, being the most stable economy in the union. I think it'll breathe new life into the push for a new German Mark.

                        The thing is, Germany could have used these situations to throw more control over these weaker governments. They could have done what only Hitler dreamed of.

                        "Ya, we'll bail you out AGAIN, but this time..." Go ahead and let your imagination run wild on that one.

                        I'd be pissed if I was Germany too. Germans persevered through tough taxation and controlled spending, only to have their collective monetary system trashed by free loaders like Greece. This is exactly why a unified monetary system will never work right. There are several individual governments with several policies under that one Euro. What's good for the goose SHOULD be good for the greece. (See what I did there?)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Denny View Post
                          They'll put up with it a little longer since they have more to lose, being the most stable economy in the union. I think it'll breathe new life into the push for a new German Mark.
                          Germany is the 2nd or 3rd largest exporter in the world from a gross exports standpoint. If you view it by percentage of total GDP, it isn't even close - Germany is roughly 50% (China is about 25-30% for a reference point.)

                          Germany does not want their own currency back, imo. The Euro is a much weaker currency than a German currency would be on its own. As a huge exporter, they benefit massively from a weak Euro. Again, just my opinion but I think Germany wants and needs Euro stability in a bad way. Depends on what they think a Grexit means for the Euro as a whole.
                          Originally posted by davbrucas
                          I want to like Slow99 since people I know say he's a good guy, but just about everything he posts is condescending and passive aggressive.

                          Most people I talk to have nothing but good things to say about you, but you sure come across as a condescending prick. Do you have an inferiority complex you've attempted to overcome through overachievement? Or were you fondled as a child?

                          You and slow99 should date. You both have passive aggressiveness down pat.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by slow99 View Post
                              Germany is the 2nd or 3rd largest exporter in the world from a gross exports standpoint. If you view it by percentage of total GDP, it isn't even close - Germany is roughly 50% (China is about 25-30% for a reference point.)

                              Germany does not want their own currency back, imo. The Euro is a much weaker currency than a German currency would be on its own. As a huge exporter, they benefit massively from a weak Euro. Again, just my opinion but I think Germany wants and needs Euro stability in a bad way. Depends on what they think a Grexit means for the Euro as a whole.
                              Yes, but there's a huge difference between a weak, stable currency and one that can go to poo overnight with Greece's shenanigans... followed by several others after that.

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