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  • #46
    Scalia:

    Justice Antonin Scalia is chastising the Supreme Court’s landmark decision legalizing same-sex marriage on Friday as an affront to the principle of democratic rule.

    Scalia argues in his opinion that the court is increasingly creating policy rather than serving as a neutral arbiter.

    “Today’s decree says that my Ruler, and the Ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast, is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court,” he writes.

    “This practice of constitutional revision by an unelected committee of nine, always accompanied (as it is today) by extravagant praise of liberty, robs the People of the most important liberty they asserted in the Declaration of Independence and won in the Revolution of 1776: the freedom to govern themselves.”

    Scalia blasts the majority opinion as “couched in a style that is as pretentious as its content is egotistic.”

    “The Supreme Court of the United States has descended from the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Story to the mystical aphorisms of the fortune cookie,” he writes in a footnote needling the majority for its bombastic language.

    It’s the second day in a row that Scalia has blasted the majority’s opinion. On Thursday, he accused the court of creating “SCOTUScare” with a ruling that said the federal government could provide ObamaCare subsidies to consumers on a federal exchange.

    Chief Justice John Roberts wrote that decision and was at the end of Scalia’s criticism, but on Friday they were on the same side.

    Scalia wrote his own dissent even though he wrote that he agrees with everything that Roberts wrote in his own dissenting opinion, in order to “call attention to this court’s threat to American democracy.”

    Scalia admits that the societal outcome of the decision isn’t particularly important to him.

    “The law can recognize as marriage whatever sexual attachments and living arrangements it wishes, and can afford them favorable civil consequences,” he writes.

    But he wrote that he views the opinion as an overreach by the court, and chides the justices as “hardly a cross-section of America.”

    He notes that all the justices graduated from Harvard or Yale Law School, eight grew up on the coasts, and that not one is an evangelical Christian or a Protestant, religions that make up significant chunks of the American population.

    “To allow the policy question of same-sex marriage to be considered and resolved by a select, patrician, highly unrepresentative panel of nine is to violate a principle even more fundamental than no taxation without representation: no social transformation without representation,” he writes.
    "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Baron Von Crowder View Post
      Right, so lets just compound screws ups by allowing more. What a win!
      "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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      • #48
        Originally posted by dcs13 View Post
        Different deal. and NO. The bible is clear on the marriage thing. I respect someones religion. I don't respect a racist.
        Or lack thereof?
        Originally posted by davbrucas
        I want to like Slow99 since people I know say he's a good guy, but just about everything he posts is condescending and passive aggressive.

        Most people I talk to have nothing but good things to say about you, but you sure come across as a condescending prick. Do you have an inferiority complex you've attempted to overcome through overachievement? Or were you fondled as a child?

        You and slow99 should date. You both have passive aggressiveness down pat.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by GhostTX View Post
          You're right. IMO, it's the gays forcing their version of belief down Christian throats.

          So it's perfectly ok for Christians to do that exact thing for centuries, but you can't give the gay crowd one win?


          Originally posted by GhostTX View Post
          Marriage has been defined as man & woman in whatever church you go to. If "civil union" contracts were made for gays, I'd have no issue. Fine. Now, to redefine the traditional role of marriage and force it as federal, that is an issue for me.

          It's a good thing churches don't define what marriage is for the rest of the logical world.
          Originally posted by BradM
          But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
          Originally posted by Leah
          In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by slow99 View Post
            Or lack thereof?
            Absolutely not. Can't have any of that nonsense.
            Originally posted by BradM
            But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
            Originally posted by Leah
            In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by bcoop View Post
              So it's perfectly ok for Christians to do that exact thing for centuries, but you can't give the gay crowd one win?





              It's a good thing churches don't define what marriage is for the rest of the logical world.
              One win that puts all those that disagree with it on the precipice of being now against the state.
              "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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              • #52
                Originally posted by GhostTX View Post
                One win that puts all those that disagree with it on the precipice of being now against the state.

                Ah, I see. So what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander. Makes perfect sense. Hard to argue impeccable logic like that. You should get a hobby instead of worrying so much about what other people do in their bedrooms. You'll lead a much more happy existence.
                Originally posted by BradM
                But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
                Originally posted by Leah
                In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by bcoop View Post
                  Ah, I see. So what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander. Makes perfect sense. Hard to argue impeccable logic like that. You should get a hobby instead of worrying so much about what other people do in their bedrooms. You'll lead a much more happy existence.
                  As said, this could have been a non-issue for the whole country had civil unions been done. Large populations of several states voted NO on redefining marriage. It's not the bedroom people are concerned about. It's the definition of marriage, and it's role of the family unit.

                  Religious freedom has just taken a huge hit, IMO.
                  "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by GhostTX View Post
                    The 1st amendment and the liberty of it has just been trampled on, and y'all celebrate.
                    Exactly what part of the first amendment has been trampled on? Impeding the exercise of free religion? lmao
                    Originally posted by BradM
                    But, just like condoms and women's rights, I don't believe in them.
                    Originally posted by Leah
                    In other news: Brent's meat melts in your mouth.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by GhostTX View Post
                      You're right. IMO, it's the gays forcing their version of belief down Christian throats.


                      Marriage has been defined as man & woman in whatever church you go to. If "civil union" contracts were made for gays, I'd have no issue. Fine. Now, to redefine the traditional role of marriage and force it as federal, that is an issue for me.
                      What I don't think that you're getting is that marriage has nothing to do with religion. Like I stated before, you don't actually get married in a church. You actually get married in a government building. So if a marriage license is issued by the government, why should a church have any say in the matter? Hopefully you'll get it this time, but I have my doubts.
                      "Any dog under 50lbs is a cat and cats are pointless." - Ron Swanson

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by bcoop View Post
                        Exactly what part of the first amendment has been trampled on? Impeding the exercise of free religion? lmao
                        So, the church I go to doesn't believe gay marriage. For whatever reason, a gay couple wants to get married there. We say "no". So, now what happens?
                        "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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                        • #57
                          I would like to congratulate the government for, once again, getting involved in something that they have no business being involved in.
                          Their only role in the whole matter of marriage should be to collect documents from a couple who has married, stating that they have done so willingly, and then to make the annotations as necessary in the records.

                          THE END.
                          "It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself."

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by jdgregory84 View Post
                            What I don't think that you're getting is that marriage has nothing to do with religion. Like I stated before, you don't actually get married in a church. You actually get married in a government building. So if a marriage license is issued by the government, why should a church have any say in the matter? Hopefully you'll get it this time, but I have my doubts.
                            You're saying the legal document is government based and you're saying you're not married until that document is signed. I can see you're angle. But church family also recognizes it as well, that's the officiator line that's signed (which in your case could be anybody, religious or not).

                            Now, that said, I don't think the two documents should be the same and held of the same definition for people of same sex.
                            "Self-government won't work without self-discipline." - Paul Harvey

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by GhostTX View Post
                              So, the church I go to doesn't believe gay marriage. For whatever reason, a gay couple wants to get married there. We say "no". So, now what happens?
                              The logical gay couple will most likely go to a less bigoted church, or have the ceremony somewhere having nothing to do with a church at all.
                              "Any dog under 50lbs is a cat and cats are pointless." - Ron Swanson

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by GhostTX View Post
                                You're saying the legal document is government based and you're saying you're not married until that document is signed. I can see you're angle. But church family also recognizes it as well, that's the officiator line that's signed (which in your case could be anybody, religious or not).

                                Now, that said, I don't think the two documents should be the same and held of the same definition for people of same sex.
                                So you're just giving your own bigoted opinion, but do acknowledge that marriage is a legally binding contract and not a religiously binding contract?
                                "Any dog under 50lbs is a cat and cats are pointless." - Ron Swanson

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