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[lowthreeohz]

Has the distinction between violent and nonviolent felons been made? I just skimmed the thread so it may have been covered already, but I have little reservation on reinstating the rights of those convicted of nonviolent felonies (white collar crimes, etc). Currently i *think* a nonviolent felon can petition the state for their rights 7 years after release.

[Denny]

Has the distinction between violent and nonviolent felons been made? I just skimmed the thread so it may have been covered already, but I have little reservation on reinstating the rights of those convicted of nonviolent felonies (white collar crimes, etc). Currently i *think* a nonviolent felon can petition the state for their rights 7 years after release.

Ya, I think it was bcoop that was talking about the process somewhere.

[bcoop]

You can't have your crime and live like the rest of us too. You don't get the same rights as other law-abiding citizens. You have been deemed a potential threat based on something you have already done. People aren't released because they have been rehabilitated. Our jails would just be over-crowded.

I'll disagree with this. Every case is different, and I know what you're getting at in that you can't regularly commit crimes and have the same priveleges as everyone else. I can agree with that. But I do think that consideration should be given to those that have turned their lives around. I'm not any less human than you are.

Has the distinction between violent and nonviolent felons been made? I just skimmed the thread so it may have been covered already, but I have little reservation on reinstating the rights of those convicted of nonviolent felonies (white collar crimes, etc). Currently i *think* a nonviolent felon can petition the state for their rights 7 years after release.

svo thinks any felon, no matter the crime, should be able to own a weapon. I disagree with that, but I do agree that non violent felons should be able to if certain criteria are met.

Ya, I think it was bcoop that was talking about the process somewhere.

I think it was on the old board, but I could be wrong. It's been so long since I've done the research on it. Some crimes, you can get a gun after a certain amount of time has passed, and you have to petition the state. I did a ton of research on it years ago, but after speaking with my attorney, I gave up. I would not qualify to have that right reinstated, but I really don't remember the specifics.

Which is fine, really. I made some bad decisions when I was 18, I paid my debt to society, and it's well done and over with. No law is going to stop me from protecting my family, and I'm prepared to handle the consequences of that, as well.

[Denny]

I'll disagree with this. Every case is different, and I know what you're getting at in that you can't regularly commit crimes and have the same priveleges as everyone else. I can agree with that. But I do think that consideration should be given to those that have turned their lives around. I'm not any less human than you are.




svo thinks any felon, no matter the crime, should be able to own a weapon. I disagree with that, but I do agree that non violent felons should be able to if certain criteria are met.



I think it was on the old board, but I could be wrong. It's been so long since I've done the research on it. Some crimes, you can get a gun after a certain amount of time has passed, and you have to petition the state. I did a ton of research on it years ago, but after speaking with my attorney, I gave up. I would not qualify to have that right reinstated, but I really don't remember the specifics.

Which is fine, really. I made some bad decisions when I was 18, I paid my debt to society, and it's well done and over with. No law is going to stop me from protecting my family, and I'm prepared to handle the consequences of that, as well.

I'm talking about outside the processes already in place. The government has made a system to return certain rights. Some of which are long and difficult, but it allows for proper vetting. I'm okay with that.

[svauto-erotic855]

My issue is with the government having the power to dictate who can and can not have a firearm when they are clearly prohibited from doing so by the Bill of Rights.

If the real problem is violent felons with guns I have to ask the question "Why are violent felons allowed out of prison?". Keeping guns out of the hands of people who are likely to use them in an unlawful could have been done at a state level with out ceding all authority to the federal government. Once you give the Feds the power to say who can and who can't have firearms eventually they will decide that no one other than themselves can have a gun.

Freedom is not without its perils.

[racrguy]

My issue is with the government having the power to dictate who can and can not have a firearm when they are clearly prohibited from doing so by the Bill of Rights.

If the real problem is violent felons with guns I have to ask the question "Why are violent felons allowed out of prison?". Keeping guns out of the hands of people who are likely to use them in an unlawful could have been done at a state level with out ceding all authority to the federal government. Once you give the Feds the power to say who can and who can't have firearms eventually they will decide that no one other than themselves can have a gun.

Freedom is not without its perils.

Did you forget about the Due Process clause in the Constitution?

[svauto-erotic855]

Did you forget about the Due Process clause in the Constitution?

No I have not. Due process is to guarantee that your civil rights are protected and it is not to be used to strip your civil rights away. What other right listed in the Bill of Rights ends once you receive a felony conviction?

[YALE]

No I have not. Due process is to guarantee that your civil rights are protected and it is not to be used to strip your civil rights away. What other right listed in the Bill of Rights ends once you receive a felony conviction?

I'll do you one better than one constitutional amendment. Laws covering the right to vote are in the constitution itself, and multiple amendments, but felons can't vote universally.

[svauto-erotic855]

I'll do you one better than one constitutional amendment. Laws covering the right to vote are in the constitution itself, and multiple amendments, but felons can't vote universally.

The right to vote is not in the constitution thus the reason for a movement to add an amendment making it a right. Google is your friend, you should try using it sometime.

[CJ]

The right to vote is not in the constitution thus the reason for a movement to add an amendment making it a right. Google is your friend, you should try using it sometime.

Not only is it in the constitution, is the most prolific right listed. The the 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th amendments all speak directly to the right to vote. Ever heard the line "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged?" That's in the constitution. Amendments are the constitution.

[SS Junk]

oh dear...

[svauto-erotic855]

Not only is it in the constitution, is the most prolific right listed. The the 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th amendments all speak directly to the right to vote. Ever heard the line "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged?" That's in the constitution. Amendments are the constitution.

All of those amendments deal with an already presumed right and deal with it after the fact. Not one of them says that every person automatically has the right to vote.

[Denny]

All of those amendments deal with an already presumed right and deal with it after the fact. Not one of them says that every person automatically has the right to vote.

Can a nigga get a facepalm pic?

[svauto-erotic855]

Can a nigga get a facepalm pic?

There is no explicit right to vote in the Constitution. If there were there would be no need for all of the amendments in regards to voting and there would not be a move to pass a "Right to Vote Amendment". You are making an assumption that is not backed up in case law. I bet you believe that the "Separation of church and state" is written in the Constitution also.

http://www.fairvote.org/reforms/right-to-vote-amendment/

[Denny]

Are you confusing the original Bill of Rights to the continuous living document?