Senate approves open carry on party-line vote

[Cobraman]

Can you show me one instance where something negative has happened from OC, as far as gun violence is concerned? I'm not talking about vs a cop either, a regular ass Joe getting gunned down for OC.

I view OC the same as I do gay marriage. I'm not going to partake in either, but people should have the option should they choose.

So, my stance has never lead with the deterrence argument. As we've seen, it can go either way.

One of my main problems with OC is that it is going to have the same affect that Open Carry Texas did. Due to complaints, more places are going to ban guns. Also, places like Buffalo Wild Wings that "ban guns on the premises" with incorrect signage are going to be quick to fix signage for the same reason. Places are going to fear OC and start banning guns due to pressure from complaints and customers (AKA Target and others) immediately after the bill is signed, and it will only get worse. This affects the entire community of Law abiding CHL holders who now cannot carry into their favorite places.

It goes like this. Some fuckstick carries open into Buffalo Wild Wings or similar because he isn't given proper notice by the "Guns banned on premises sign." Manager comes over due to complaint or because he notices and asks dude to leave. Dude is an asshole, cops get called, dude gets arrested because he was given verbal notice and suddenly it is on the news and BWW fixes their signage. Confrontations like this give us a terrible reputation just like OC Texas does - we get more awful press and give the anti-gunners more ground for the next anti gun bill. Also, now I can't go eat wings at BWW anymore. and that blows.

If dude just keeps his taurus and serpa concealed we don't have any bad press, nobody is affected, citizens at the restaurant don't see a first hand bad example of an "asshole with a gun" and I can still carry blissfully into buffalo wild wings and all my other favorite places.

[futant]

It goes like this. Some fuckstick carries open into Buffalo Wild Wings or similar because he isn't given proper notice by the "Guns banned on premises sign." Manager comes over due to complaint or because he notices and asks dude to leave. Dude is an asshole, cops get called, dude gets arrested because he was given verbal notice and suddenly it is on the news and BWW fixes their signage. Confrontations like this give us a terrible reputation just like OC Texas does - we get more awful press and give the anti-gunners more ground for the next anti gun bill. Also, now I can't go eat wings at BWW anymore. and that blows.

I agree with OC for the rural areas, but this is what I predict for the rest of us with CHL's
damn idiots that ruin it for everyone.
idiots who are afraid of guns
idiots who carry guns exposed around the city when there generally isn't a reason
I'm still all for the freedom to choose, but I would 99% choose to conceal unless out in rural areas hunting/camping/etc
fuktards will screw this up....inevitable

[Baron Von Crowder]

So, my stance has never lead with the deterrence argument. As we've seen, it can go either way.

One of my main problems with OC is that it is going to have the same affect that Open Carry Texas did. Due to complaints, more places are going to ban guns. Also, places like Buffalo Wild Wings that "ban guns on the premises" with incorrect signage are going to be quick to fix signage for the same reason. Places are going to fear OC and start banning guns due to pressure from complaints and customers (AKA Target and others) immediately after the bill is signed, and it will only get worse. This affects the entire community of Law abiding CHL holders who now cannot carry into their favorite places.

It goes like this. Some fuckstick carries open into Buffalo Wild Wings or similar because he isn't given proper notice by the "Guns banned on premises sign." Manager comes over due to complaint or because he notices and asks dude to leave. Dude is an asshole, cops get called, dude gets arrested because he was given verbal notice and suddenly it is on the news and BWW fixes their signage. Confrontations like this give us a terrible reputation just like OC Texas does - we get more awful press and give the anti-gunners more ground for the next anti gun bill. Also, now I can't go eat wings at BWW anymore. and that blows.

If dude just keeps his taurus and serpa concealed we don't have any bad press, nobody is affected, citizens at the restaurant don't see a first hand bad example of an "asshole with a gun" and I can still carry blissfully into buffalo wild wings and all my other favorite places.

There is a huge difference between CANT and WONT.

[Cobraman]

There is a huge difference between CANT and WONT.

There sure is- if that's how you think just go strap your pistol on now and go walk into the police station. There is a huge different between CAN'T and WON'T

I'm a law abiding citizen. I'm not going to put my future and my ability to have a CHL in question.

[racrguy]

So, my stance has never lead with the deterrence argument. As we've seen, it can go either way.

One of my main problems with OC is that it is going to have the same affect that Open Carry Texas did. Due to complaints, more places are going to ban guns. Also, places like Buffalo Wild Wings that "ban guns on the premises" with incorrect signage are going to be quick to fix signage for the same reason. Places are going to fear OC and start banning guns due to pressure from complaints and customers (AKA Target and others) immediately after the bill is signed, and it will only get worse. This affects the entire community of Law abiding CHL holders who now cannot carry into their favorite places.

It goes like this. Some fuckstick carries open into Buffalo Wild Wings or similar because he isn't given proper notice by the "Guns banned on premises sign." Manager comes over due to complaint or because he notices and asks dude to leave. Dude is an asshole, cops get called, dude gets arrested because he was given verbal notice and suddenly it is on the news and BWW fixes their signage. Confrontations like this give us a terrible reputation just like OC Texas does - we get more awful press and give the anti-gunners more ground for the next anti gun bill. Also, now I can't go eat wings at BWW anymore. and that blows.

If dude just keeps his taurus and serpa concealed we don't have any bad press, nobody is affected, citizens at the restaurant don't see a first hand bad example of an "asshole with a gun" and I can still carry blissfully into buffalo wild wings and all my other favorite places.

Ok, can you show me in states that already have OC where this is an issue?

[Baron Von Crowder]

There sure is- if that's how you think just go strap your pistol on now and go walk into the police station. There is a huge different between CAN'T and WON'T

I'm a law abiding citizen. I'm not going to put my future and my ability to have a CHL in question.

It's ok dude, you dont need a gun in there, it's gun free!

You do have a choice of where you go, and if it's somewhere you want or need to be, to disarm and go on living your life. I disarm so I can drink a beer, because that's the law.

You are making yourself sound just as bad as the neckbeard crew.

[CexMashean]

There sure is- if that's how you think just go strap your pistol on now and go walk into the police station. There is a huge different between CAN'T and WON'T

I'm a law abiding citizen. I'm not going to put my future and my ability to have a CHL in question.

So you'd be afraid for your life to eat at BWW if they banned guns with proper signage?

What's it like living with that level of paralyzing fear? How many gun fights have you been in at BWW so far?

I understand wanting to feel safe, but come on now. . . .

[Cobraman]

Ok, can you show me in states that already have OC where this is an issue?

I've seen stories that I can find later - Even still, Texas seems to do more damage especially when it is gun related- look at OC Texas. No group has done more damage to the cause anywhere than they have. It is the gun culture and mindset here I guess.

[Baron Von Crowder]

I've seen stories that I can find later - Even still, Texas seems to do more damage especially when it is gun related- look at OC Texas. No group has done more damage to the cause anywhere than they have. It is the gun culture and mindset here I guess.

You arent helping a lot yourself.

[Cobraman]

It's ok dude, you dont need a gun in there, it's gun free!

You do have a choice of where you go, and if it's somewhere you want or need to be, to disarm and go on living your life. I disarm so I can drink a beer, because that's the law.

It is against the law to be intoxicated while CC, not to drink a beer. Why should I have to give up my right to be armed at place I like so a handful of people can slap revolvers on their hip? I can already CC there.

So you'd be afraid for your life to eat at BWW if they banned guns with proper signage? What's it like living with that level of paralyzing fear? How many gun fights have you been in at BWW so far?

I understand wanting to feel safe, but come on now. . . .

Dude you are out of your element- tons of people cc all day everyday here. It is like carrying allergy spray in your truck - it is a simple precaution that doesn't bother you to carry around. If your allergies act up, never fear!! Also, the premise is not just buffalo wild wings or on place, it is about many other places following suit.

[Cobraman]

You arent helping a lot yourself.

It seems I go against the mainstream here, so Idc.

[bcoop]

I've seen stories that I can find later - Even still, Texas seems to do more damage especially when it is gun related- look at OC Texas. No group has done more damage to the cause anywhere than they have. It is the gun culture and mindset here I guess.

It has nothing to do with gun culture and everything to do with a severe lack of common sense and poor judgement.

You arent helping a lot yourself.

Lol

Dude you are out of your element- tons of people cc all day everyday here. It is like carrying allergy spray in your truck - it is a simple precaution that doesn't bother you to carry around. If your allergies act up, never fear!! Also, the premise is not just buffalo wild wings or on place, it is about many other places following suit.

So let them. Fuck BWW anyways. Their wings are horrible, and the service sucks. Go somewhere else and stop crying. If other restaurants follow suit, eat at home or leave it in the car. You're making this a way bigger deal than it is, which is ironic, considering it's the same exact tactics used by your buddy Kory Watkins.

[Baron Von Crowder]

It seems I go against the mainstream here, so Idc.

IDC...

Texas Penal Code §46.035 states it is unlawful for an individual who is intoxicated to carry a concealed handgun. The Penal Code defines “intoxicated” as not having the normal use of mental or physical faculties by reason of the introduction of alcohol, a controlled substance, a drug, a dangerous drug, a combination of two or more of those substances, or any other substance in the body.

Sure, intoxicated. That's extremely subjective, and a police officer's discretion. It DOES NOT say a BAC over a limit, and they wrote it for a reason.

But you're still young and know FUCKING EVERYTHING so that isnt news to you.

IDC...

[Rick Modena]

So let them. Fuck BWW anyways. Their wings are horrible, and the service sucks. Go somewhere else and stop crying. If other restaurants follow suit, eat at home or leave it in the car. You're making this a way bigger deal than it is, which is ironic, considering it's the same exact tactics used by your buddy Kory Watkins.

Now that was funny, KW, ahahaha!

[Nash B.]

Go somewhere else and stop crying. If other restaurants follow suit, eat at home or leave it in the car.

Or start up a competing restaurant (with good food and good service, obviously) that embraces open carry!