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    The Texas Senate gave initial approval Monday to a bill allowing for holstered handguns to be openly carried, turning aside a flurry of amendments from Democrats in a series of party-line votes.

    On a 20-11 vote, the Senate’s Republicans approved Senate Bill 17, with final passage likely for Tuesday, the same day a House committee will hold its first public hearing on a similar measure.

    Also Tuesday, the Senate will hold its initial vote on a second gun measure, allowing concealed handguns in college and university buildings.

    SB 17 would allow those with a concealed handgun license to openly carry firearms in a shoulder or belt holster. The bill also would let business owners forbid openly carried handguns on their premises by displaying prominent signs.

    “We have about 800,000 concealed handgun license holders in this state that I feel like have been vetted and trained and can be trusted,” said the bill’s author, Sen. Craig Estes, R-Wichita Falls.

    “I believe in freedom,” Estes said. “The question we should ask is not why can they (openly carry handguns), but why are they forbidden from doing this?”

    Sen. John Whitmire, D-Houston, said the bill was a solution in search of a problem.

    “What are you really trying to accomplish today? Help me,” Whitmire said. “The really, really average Texan does not understand the relevance of your proposals (or see) how they would make Texas a better place to work or live.”

    The 20 Senate Republicans turned aside Democratic amendments that would have banned openly carried guns in city halls or within 1,000 feet of public parks. Democrats also failed in attempts to allow cities and counties to opt in or opt out of the state’s open carry law or to require those openly carrying handguns to also display their concealed handgun license as an aid to police officers.

    Whitmire offered an amendment banning open carry in the Capitol, warning that the large number of schoolchildren who visit would be put at risk if a “disturbed person” grabbed an available gun from a holster.

    “It’s not if it’s going to happen, it’s when,” Whitmire said, his voice rising to a shout. “You’re making a huge mistake.”

    Calling Whitmire’s fears far-fetched, Estes said he did not want to exempt the Capitol from a law that other government offices will have to follow.

    Monday’s vote came on the first day the Senate could vote on a bill that had not been declared an emergency by Gov. Greg Abbott.

    Estes amended his bill to delay implementation until Jan. 1, 2016, saying the Department of Public safety asked for the four-month delay to help it prepare.

    Estes also accepted amendments from Sen. Judith Zaffirini, D-Laredo, requiring that handgun license instruction include information on retention holsters and techniques to securely carry handguns, and one from Sen. Joan Huffman, R-Houston, clarifying that open carry would not be allowed in buildings or public areas of college campuses.

    SB 17 would not change the requirements to receive a concealed handgun license, and a current license holder would not have to reapply to openly carry a handgun

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    This is the bill with the best shot of passing the house. It also leaves a minimum standard in place, which is nice.
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    • #3
      Come on campus carry. I hope oc doesn't pass.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cobraman View Post
        Come on campus carry. I hope oc doesn't pass.
        Why would you want less rights?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cobraman View Post
          Come on campus carry. I hope oc doesn't pass.
          Go to california you fucking hippie.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by HarrisonTX View Post
            Why would you want less rights?
            there is no reason for it. Any gun can be carried concealed. Faster draw is negligible at best. All oc does is bring out the oc Texas assholes, make businesses start to enforce 30.06 and give notice (BC now they can see guns) which limits carry, and freaks people out causing police interaction and situations completely unnecessary.
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            • #7
              So because people are scared of guns, we should be forced to hide them?
              Personally, I'm for more rights and the option to carry how I feel necessary.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by HarrisonTX View Post
                So because people are scared of guns, we should be forced to hide them?
                Personally, I'm for more rights and the option to carry how I feel necessary.
                What is one true benefit of carrying open vs. Concealed? Other than the "it is my right"
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                • #9
                  deterrent?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dsrtuckteezy View Post
                    deterrent?
                    The number of people that are going to oc is so low that the deterrence factor is negligible- concealed carry is supposed to be a deterrent but nobody carries and criminals will take their chances. You can also factor that with the whole "you will be the first one shot" arguement
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                    • #11
                      It's more comfortable to carry OWB. If I can do that, I do it. OWB>IWB.
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                      • #12
                        everything is negligible to you it seems. you asked for a benefit to oc, and there is one.

                        if you were a criminal looking to rob someone at a gas station, are you going to go after the guy with a gun on his hip, or someone without? how is concealed carry a deterrent if nobody can see what you have?

                        i can say carrying on campus is negligible, because in the grand scheme of things, shootings dont happen that often at a school.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by YALE View Post
                          It's more comfortable to carry OWB. If I can do that, I do it. OWB>IWB.
                          c'mon yale we both know OWB =/= open carry. You can easy carry any owb gun and just have a shirt over it. You basically said that on Fb.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dsrtuckteezy View Post
                            everything is negligible to you it seems. you asked for a benefit to oc, and there is one.

                            if you were a criminal looking to rob someone at a gas station, are you going to go after the guy with a gun on his hip, or someone without? how is concealed carry a deterrent if nobody can see what you have?

                            i can say carrying on campus is negligible, because in the grand scheme of things, shootings dont happen that often at a school.
                            Everything is negligible except the downsides to oc. Places are going to start fixing their signage after complaints - and if places can see guns they are going to get complaints--> being asked to leave/cover up guns which equals verbal notice aka you have to leave. This is going to have the same effect OC Texas had. Places are going to start banning guns and people are going to be dumbasses to managers and police and make a terrible name for us more than OC TX was able to do before. What did their OC movements do? Cause more places to shun and ban lawful armed citizens like us. Sure this isn't going to be the case all the time- but it wouldn't happen if you just pull a shirt over your gun and go about your day. Nobody is bothered, you don't have to deal with police encounters, or other bs. I don't have to hear on the news that some neckbeard causes a huge scene in public over OC and makes the public frown even more on the rights we have AND Suddenly now I can't legally carry AT ALL into XYZ place or restaurant because some dumbass couldn't keep his shit or his mouth to himself.

                            Nobody can give a valid reason to the benefit of OC over CC. The Deterrence factor goes two ways and is crap anyway. Two guys in philly robbed a gamestop with a damn uniformed cop inside, just stuck around to kill him, and left. If somebody robs the store i'm in, I'd like the element of surprise not being the first guy shot.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cobraman View Post
                              c'mon yale we both know OWB =/= open carry. You can easy carry any owb gun and just have a shirt over it. You basically said that on Fb.
                              The guns I would carry OWB are painfully obvious under a shirt. I'd rather just carry what I want how I want.
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