Does Ted Cruz not understand Net Neutrality?

[46Tbird]

Never heard of any of this shit.

This is exactly what I am talking about. It should be a huge red flag when politicians start talking about a problem that none of us can really define clearly. In my experience that means you are talking about a problem that industry made up in an attempt to get favorable legislation out of congress.

YES!

Anytime they start telling me I'm suffering from a problem I'm not aware I have, I know for sure the only solution is coming from my wallet.

[bcoop]

http://theoatmeal.com/blog/net_neutrality

[John -- '02 HAWK]

yall are hearing about it because the threat to net neutrality is becoming a real possibility. What used to be a vague worry about governmental content throttling and censorship, has become a palpable commercial threat to content throttling and even censorship.

Net neutrality is not really about average net speed. Its about a government or corporation being able control what you use the internet for. Do you want corps to establish paywalls for playing online video games, even though you have already payed for internet access? Do you want to pay the corps to access the movie service that you have paid for and that is available because you paid for your internet? Do you want to have to pay more because you got some web site that some VP thinks is objectionable. Thats not the end of the pay walls either other ISPs or nations could establish paywalls and throttles as a tax.

[talisman]

It seems eric hasnt been keeping up with the news.

What have I missed?

[46Tbird]

http://theoatmeal.com/blog/net_neutrality

That was awesome. I'm a Cruz supporter but I'm not sure I side with his stance here. I'll need to research further, I guess.

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I'm a Cruz supporter but I'm not sure I side with his stance here. I'll need to research further, I guess.

He's doing what we elected him to do, and I can't hate that. He's batting down whatever Obama suggests, and keeping him boxed in, so he can't get in the way of good legislation after this. It's what good senators do, and he's a good senator. Him going up against Obama on this doesn't necessarily affect the outcome of this issue, but it adds a transaction cost in political capital to Obama's efforts. Ted Cruz can let it squeak through the senate, say he fought Obama, and Obama has to waste time fighting this. It's a beautiful move, presuming it works.

[bcoop]

He's doing what we elected him to do, and I can't hate that. He's batting down whatever Obama suggests, and keeping him boxed in,

I can. I get it, Obama mostly has shit ideas. History proves that. But his admin coming out in support of this, is one thing they actually got right. Save the effort for the issues that actually need to be fought. If Cruz's stance on this is solely due to the Fuck Obama mentality, then he can go fuck himself. His post on this matter makes him look like an idiot. Just like the posts he makes speaking about religion.


I like the guy despite his very obvious flaws, but he needs to do a better job of picking and choosing his battles.

[talisman]

I can. I get it, Obama mostly has shit ideas. History proves that. But his admin coming out in support of this, is one thing they actually got right. Save the effort for the issues that actually need to be fought. If Cruz's stance on this is solely due to the Fuck Obama mentality, then he can go fuck himself. His post on this matter makes him look like an idiot. Just like the posts he makes speaking about religion.


I like the guy despite his very obvious flaws, but he needs to do a better job of picking and choosing his battles.

Get out of my brain.

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I can. I get it, Obama mostly has shit ideas. History proves that. But his admin coming out in support of this, is one thing they actually got right. Save the effort for the issues that actually need to be fought. If Cruz's stance on this is solely due to the Fuck Obama mentality, then he can go fuck himself. His post on this matter makes him look like an idiot. Just like the posts he makes speaking about religion.


I like the guy despite his very obvious flaws, but he needs to do a better job of picking and choosing his battles.

I totally get what you're saying. I'm just not that worried about it, because it's an obvious distraction play. If this were chess, he'd be sacrificing a pawn to draw in a more valuable piece later. He's comfortable being the villain, and it serves him well to let other people think that's all he is.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

I totally get what you're saying. I'm just not that worried about it, because it's an obvious distraction play. If this were chess, he'd be sacrificing a pawn to draw in a more valuable piece later. He's comfortable being the villain, and it serves him well to let other people think that's all he is.

He and the repubs are in control of the board, they dont have to sacrifice a pawn to somebody who has lost most of the board. If he wants show what he's about, he should be doing right all the time. Instead this move just reinforces that he is the wrong candidate to the middle left who are lining up to vote for a motherly figure

[racrguy]

He and the repubs are in control of the board, they dont have to sacrifice a pawn to somebody who has lost most of the board. If he wants show what he's about, he should be doing right all the time. Instead this move just reinforces that he is the wrong candidate to the middle left who are lining up to vote for a motherly figure

Explain, please. I want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding what you're saying.

[bcoop]

He and the repubs are in control of the board, they dont have to sacrifice a pawn to somebody who has lost most of the board. If he wants show what he's about, he should be doing right all the time. Instead this move just reinforces that he is the wrong candidate to the middle left who are lining up to vote for a motherly figure

Uh.... He never claimed to be a candidate for the middle left. Have you not been paying attention?

[Broncojohnny]

yall are hearing about it because the threat to net neutrality is becoming a real possibility. What used to be a vague worry about governmental content throttling and censorship, has become a palpable commercial threat to content throttling and even censorship.

Net neutrality is not really about average net speed. Its about a government or corporation being able control what you use the internet for. Do you want corps to establish paywalls for playing online video games, even though you have already payed for internet access? Do you want to pay the corps to access the movie service that you have paid for and that is available because you paid for your internet? Do you want to have to pay more because you got some web site that some VP thinks is objectionable. Thats not the end of the pay walls either other ISPs or nations could establish paywalls and throttles as a tax.

They can do all of this now, yet they don't. With the exception of the netflix incident. And that is my point, it isn't a real problem. I'll guarantee you there is some language in the solution that allows more government regulation of the internet though, which is the real goal here.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

They can do all of this now, yet they don't. With the exception of the netflix incident. And that is my point, it isn't a real problem. I'll guarantee you there is some language in the solution that allows more government regulation of the internet though, which is the real goal here.

Thats why the push is coming, it an attempting to protect it now. The only thing that really has been stopping it has been lawsuits. So the real goal is protecting the end user, especially in areas where there is only 1 ISP.

Otherwise the ISPs are going to end unlimited access, start charging different per use unregulated service service fees (streaming movie, gaming, porn, connecting with another ISP/country, etc), and placing paywalls to stop content delivery (you want to watch HBO/Showtime your going to have to pay the ISP to unlock it)

[John -- '02 HAWK]

Uh.... He never claimed to be a candidate for the middle left. Have you not been paying attention?

If he wants to run for president he will.