Does Ted Cruz not understand Net Neutrality?

[YALE]

Here is the deal. Intercarrier compensation between the Telco's for call origination and termination has been drying up for years. In addition, the wholesale Telco market AKA "carrier's carrier business" is drying up due to new regulations.

The ISPs, which are mostly the old Telco's are doing to the internet what they have always done on the Telco side....charge for access. The only difference is that in the Telco world, all calls are broken down by origination and termination and access is billed back according to intercarrier agreements. This is infeasible for internet traffic, so the idea is to prioritize traffic and charge third party vendors such as Netflix and Vonage to create an "SLA" for their access.

I don't agree with this approach, however the ISPs are not going to live off of monthly recurring charges alone.

Buggy whips.

[J&T's 82]

Buggy whips.

Lol....Sad but true.

[Sean88gt]

Buggy whips.

Thumbs up.

[Gasser64]

Can you show me why I continue to get raped by the "free businesses" for the quality of internet service I receive, when other countries make ours look like it's powered by hamsters in a wheel? Someone sure as fuck needs to step in and start improving the quality.


ALL COUNTRIES


97.90 Mbps HONG KONG
91.26 Mbps SOUTH KOREA
91.18 Mbps SINGAPORE
62.34 Mbps ROMANIA
47.20 Mbps REPUBLIC OF MOLDOVA
47.08 Mbps LITHUANIA
46.26 Mbps MACAU
45.92 Mbps SWITZERLAND
45.77 Mbps SWEDEN
44.32 Mbps NETHERLANDS
43.88 Mbps ICELAND
41.91 Mbps ANDORRA
40.76 Mbps TAIWAN
40.62 Mbps DENMARK
40.01 Mbps JERSEY
39.97 Mbps LATVIA
36.16 Mbps LUXEMBOURG
34.87 Mbps FRANCE
34.55 Mbps BELGIUM
34.47 Mbps ESTONIA
34.47 Mbps MONACO
33.76 Mbps BULGARIA
33.50 Mbps NORWAY
32.19 Mbps HUNGARY
31.82 Mbps FINLAND
31.78 Mbps UNITED STATES

the U.S would actually be no. 4, if that list is accurate. For me at least. Charter just bumped me up to 65mbps for free. Old speed was 31mbps. Bill remains the same at $34 per month

if thats going to be the new standard then i dont really see a problem. No need for more of big brothers disingenuous intrusions

[Broncojohnny]

The whole thing just seems like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Another sales job by private industry to rig the system. I get this impression because I can go all over the internet and read about what "net neutrality" is and I get a different story in every place. In one place it has to do with speeds and infrastructure, in others it has to do with forced advertising and captive audiences. This seems like a load of crap that has been sold to the sheep, like when we needed all that deregulation in the utilities business here in Texas. That turned out to be a load of bullshit and was a ploy by the utility companies to double their rates.

[jluv]

Never heard of any of this shit.

[Broncojohnny]

Never heard of any of this shit.

This is exactly what I am talking about. It should be a huge red flag when politicians start talking about a problem that none of us can really define clearly. In my experience that means you are talking about a problem that industry made up in an attempt to get favorable legislation out of congress.

[Baron Von Crowder]

This is exactly what I am talking about. It should be a huge red flag when politicians start talking about a problem that none of us can really define clearly. In my experience that means you are talking about a problem that industry made up in an attempt to get favorable legislation out of congress.

but is it gluten free?

[8mpg]

All of those cities and countries combined are smaller than the U.S.... Below is in square miles...
97.90 Mbps HONG KONG. 426
91.26 Mbps SOUTH KOREA 38,691
91.18 Mbps SINGAPORE. 276.5
62.34 Mbps ROMANIA. 92,043
47.20 Mbps REPUBLIC OF MOLDOVA. 13,068
47.08 Mbps LITHUANIA. 25,174
46.26 Mbps MACAU. 11.39
45.92 Mbps SWITZERLAND. 15,940
45.77 Mbps SWEDEN. 173,732
44.32 Mbps NETHERLANDS. 16,033
43.88 Mbps ICELAND. 39,769
41.91 Mbps ANDORRA. 180.7
40.76 Mbps TAIWAN. 13,974
40.62 Mbps DENMARK. 16,639
40.01 Mbps JERSEY. 46.14
39.97 Mbps LATVIA. 24,938
36.16 Mbps LUXEMBOURG. 998
34.87 Mbps FRANCE. 247,367
34.55 Mbps BELGIUM. 11,787
34.47 Mbps ESTONIA. 17,462
34.47 Mbps MONACO. 1
33.76 Mbps BULGARIA. 42,855
33.50 Mbps NORWAY. 148,718
32.19 Mbps HUNGARY. 35,919
31.82 Mbps FINLAND. 130,666
31.78 Mbps UNITED STATES. 3,806,000

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THere are lots of homes out there with septic tanks....they probably dont have high speed internet.

[bcoop]

This is exactly what I am talking about. It should be a huge red flag when politicians start talking about a problem that none of us can really define clearly. In my experience that means you are talking about a problem that industry made up in an attempt to get favorable legislation out of congress.

The first I heard of any of this is when Netflix was throwing down with ISPs. ISPs want to charge streaming services like Netflix more money. Or, what it really boils down to, is charge you more money to stream anything. And that's a load of shit.

[Baba Ganoush]

Never heard of any of this shit.

X2

Now, if you want to discuss deregulation of the utility sector and how bad the local electric providers have been screwing over Texas residents for the past 20 years, I could definitely enlighten you.

[Mach1]

The first I heard of any of this is when Netflix was throwing down with ISPs. ISPs want to charge streaming services like Netflix more money. Or, what it really boils down to, is charge you more money to stream anything. And that's a load of shit.

If an ISP drops 100 mil to upgrade their network to support all current users x2 with headroom then netflix comes along and causes the pipe to fill up, thats money out of the ISP's pocket so it seems reasonable to me ( but it sucks ).

That's where competition comes into play, then another isp comes in and finds a way to build a better network for less and charges less, then everyone is upping their game to compete.

[talisman]

The first I heard of any of this is when Netflix was throwing down with ISPs. ISPs want to charge streaming services like Netflix more money. Or, what it really boils down to, is charge you more money to stream anything. And that's a load of shit.

Yup, last December I believe it was, one of the SP's was throttling down Netflix trying to extort them. I was having all kinds of problems towards the end of the month and just stopped using it for a couple of weeks.

[bcoop]

That's where competition SHOULD come into play, then another isp comes in and finds a way to build a better network for less and charges less, then everyone is upping their game to compete. Instead, the ISPs band together and whine for intervention.

Ftfy

[Sean88gt]

The whole thing just seems like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Another sales job by private industry to rig the system. I get this impression because I can go all over the internet and read about what "net neutrality" is and I get a different story in every place. In one place it has to do with speeds and infrastructure, in others it has to do with forced advertising and captive audiences. This seems like a load of crap that has been sold to the sheep, like when we needed all that deregulation in the utilities business here in Texas. That turned out to be a load of bullshit and was a ploy by the utility companies to double their rates.

If an ISP drops 100 mil to upgrade their network to support all current users x2 with headroom then netflix comes along and causes the pipe to fill up, thats money out of the ISP's pocket so it seems reasonable to me ( but it sucks ).

That's where competition comes into play, then another isp comes in and finds a way to build a better network for less and charges less, then everyone is upping their game to compete.

Al's example is spot on. Taking out inflation and rises in energy cost, utilities have shot through the roof and the supposed free market benefits seem as if they were completely aced out. It appears that the retail providers work together to set a basement floor, then work their way up from there.

If the government gets involved with interwebz, we will get collectively fucked.