WA State I-594

[Chili]

Just saw some FB posts on this from friends / family living in WA State. Ouch...

http://q13fox.com/2014/11/04/washington-voters-approving-i-594-to-expand-gun-background-checks/

SEATTLE — Washington voters were approving Initiative 594 to expand background checks on nearly all gun sales, initial results showed Tuesday night.

With 1.2 million votes counted, I-594 was leading 60-40% and its rival measure, I-591, which would limit gun background checks, was losing 55-45%.

I-594 would require background checks on all gun sales except for antique guns and family transfers.


Seattle Mayor Ed Murray said, “Today, Washington has made a significant commitment to gun safety for all. States with universal background checks have fewer women killed in domestic violence situations, fewer law enforcement officers shot and fewer firearm suicides.

“As the first state to pass this by popular vote, Washington has sent a message of hope to other states that progress is possible. We can act to prevent gun violence. We can save lives.”
...

Bloomberg and a few other notables were the major push on this.

[Sean88gt]

For fools know not what they do.

[Chili]

More on the initiative (slanted as it is from a anti-gun group):

http://wagunresponsibility.org/about-594/

Initiative Measure No. 594 concerns background checks for firearm sales and transfers.

This measure would apply the currently used criminal and public safety background checks by licensed dealers to all firearm sales and transfers, including gun show and online sales, with specific exceptions.

The initiative makes sure anyone buying a gun in Washington State passes the same background check, no matter where they buy the gun and no matter whom they buy it from.

This is an initiative to the legislature. With your help, we gathered over 345,000 signatures in 2013 and submitted the initiative to the legislature on January 2, 2014. The legislature did not pass 594. It now goes to the people to be voted on this November.

Overview
Criminal and public safety background checks dramatically reduce access to guns for criminals, domestic abusers and other dangerous people from buying firearms. But in Washington State, only guns bought from licensed dealers are subject to a background check. This is a loophole in our law that allows criminals to buy guns from strangers – in parking lots, on the Internet, and at gun shows – with no questions asked.

Initiative 594 closes this loophole in Washington State by requiring that private sales and transfers —including those at gun shows or on the internet— go through the same background check process as sales through a licensed gun dealer.

Simple and Accessible Process:

• The initiative is simple: it makes sure that anyone buying a gun in Washington State passes the same background check, no matter where they buy the gun and no matter whom they buy it from.
• When a private seller and buyer arrange to meet in person to conduct the transfer, they would meet at a licensed dealer, instead of in a parking lot or another public place.
• The buyer and the licensed dealer would proceed as if the buyer were trying to purchase from a dealer. The buyer would complete the proper forms, and the dealer would call in the background check—in the exact same way as if the dealer were selling a firearm from its own inventory.
• This initiative simply has private sales go through the same process people have been using successfully for years when purchasing from a licensed dealer.
• This is an accessible process. 98% of Washingtonians live within 10 miles of a dealer. In fact, there are twice as many licensed gun dealers in Washington as there are US post offices.
• Private parties complying with the background check requirement are exempt from sales tax.

Reasonable Exceptions – background checks are not required for:

• Gifts between immediate family members
• Antiques and relics
• Temporary transfers for self-defense
• Loans for lawful hunting or sporting activities

[Nash B.]

where do these clowns get the idea that you can buy guns on the Internet and bypass the FFL?

[racrguy]

How long until this changes?

Private parties complying with the background check requirement are exempt from sales tax.

[71chevellejohn]

What's to stop a private sale where both parties claim it was done in a different state? And on a private sale where would sales tax come into play anyway?

Fucking idiots.

(By internet sales, I think they are talking more about a internet-classifieds type sale instead of outright buying direct online with no FFL.)

[LANTIRN]

What's to stop a private sale where both parties claim it was done in a different state? And on a private sale where would sales tax come into play anyway?

Fucking idiots.

(By internet sales, I think they are talking more about a internet-classifieds type sale instead of outright buying direct online with no FFL.)

I doubt that was their agenda. Most people honestly believe you can have a gun mailed to your door from any online gun dealer. These are usually the same people who think all guns are registered during the background checks at ffl dealers.

[Chili]

How long until this changes?

I doubt it will, but hell, you have to pay tax on used car purchases in most states, so it wouldn't surprise me. lol

What's to stop a private sale where both parties claim it was done in a different state? And on a private sale where would sales tax come into play anyway?

Fucking idiots.

(By internet sales, I think they are talking more about a internet-classifieds type sale instead of outright buying direct online with no FFL.)

They don't have gun "registration" there (just like Texas), so this will be a difficult thing to enforce anyways (private party sales). I think their main target was gun shows.

That said, I could see LE doing "stings" on face to face private sales, especially early on after the law takes effect.

[DON SVO]

... most handguns used in felonies by felons are not registered to the user or are stolen.

So they're making it illegal to sell a felon a firearm. Gee, considering most felons use stolen weapons or buy black market weapons that never even make a blip on the radar, this is sure gonna work. It'll work about as well as making armed robbery and assault with a deadly weapon illegal.

[line-em-up]

Just saw some FB posts on this from friends / family living in WA State. Ouch...

http://q13fox.com/2014/11/04/washington-voters-approving-i-594-to-expand-gun-background-checks/

Bloomberg and a few other notables were the major push on this.

“As the first state to pass this by popular vote, Washington has sent a message of hope to other states that progress is possible. We can act to prevent gun violence. We can save lives.”

While all of their lunatic libtard friends continue to do mass killings with unregistered guns to further illustrate the need to ban guns.

[cyclonescott]

I doubt it will, but hell, you have to pay tax on used car purchases in most states, so it wouldn't surprise me. lol



They don't have gun "registration" there (just like Texas), so this will be a difficult thing to enforce anyways (private party sales). I think their main target was gun shows.
That said, I could see LE doing "stings" on face to face private sales, especially early on after the law takes effect.

The gun shows weren't even a problem as you had to be a registered member to purchase a gun at the show. To be registered you already had to go through a background check.

It was a convenient coincidence that a school shooting happened just before the vote.

[GhostTX]

I'm sure there'll be a lawsuit filed on this as it limits 2A.

[Forever_frost]

Considering the state has the authority to do this, eh keep it there.

[cyclonescott]

I-594 supporters will make push in Olympia for stronger gun laws

I-594 supporters will make push in Olympia for stronger gun laws.

With Initiative 594 to expand gun-purchase background checks winning by a wide margin, supporters of stricter gun laws want to ride that wave of momentum straight to Olympia.

Gathering Wednesday morning at The Edgewater hotel in Seattle, where only hours before supporters cheered the passage of I-594, advocates for stronger gun laws said in a news conference they will bring more proposals to next year’s legislative session.

“Yesterday’s victory is just the beginning,” said Sandy Brown, president of the board for the Washington-based Center for Gun Responsibility. “It’s the beginning of a permanent movement to reduce the plague of gun violence in Washington state.”

Brown wouldn’t speak to which policies might be pursued. Nor would he say whether they would come as bills or initiatives to the Legislature, like I-594 had been, which could potentially go to a public vote.

But an advisory council to groups supporting I-594 is crafting proposals and will release more specifics in December.

That momentum could be tempered by the political realities in the Legislature, where Republicans held onto control of the state Senate.

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2024963246_backgroundcheckfoloxml.html

[Broncojohnny]

Of course it is just the beginning. First they'll make you go through a dealer for any sale. And then they will limit dealers to certain areas. Then stop allowing people to become dealers.