Blackwater Founder: We Could Stop ISIS (but Obama destroyed my business)

[Cooter]

[YALE]

I disagree. No VA or long term federal care for anyone injured, no paying for munitions and no restrictions on budgets set by pussy politicians. You have no ROE and aren't winning hearts and minds, you're ripping them out. You're fighting terrorists with terror with highly trained and vetted people who WANT to be there.

I think it's a win.

Hey how was our response time to the Benghazi crisis?

[Forever_frost]

Interesting opinion from a decorated veteran,I would have not thought that. So I would deduce from your post that you are for a private army NOT controlled by our government and elected officials?
Where would you be now if not for these said benefits? No long term medical care and VA benefits that you earned?

I am for fighting terror with terror with extreme prejudice. It should be our armed forces, not blackwater type forces.

Where do you see a decorated veteran? I'm an asshole who can't duck. That said, I have made it a point to study war and my masters is in national security. You're looking at this from a flawed standpoint. Had I not been part of a unit that had a very restrictive ROE, I'd not have been shot because we'd have moved through the city and killed everything that was a threat and not waited until we were fired upon first and then worked to minimize collateral damage.

When you have people paid to remove a threat, they do just that as quickly and efficiently as possible. When you have politicians running a war, they are worried about polls and lose sight of the mission. A private Army would be cake. Your mission, according to your contract, is X. You know going in what your mission is, what your pay and benefits are and when your time is up. No stop loss, no hold over without pay. You get bank. You get injured or killed? Your benefits are in black and white, non negotiable and if they don't hold up to their end, you sue them in court.

Mercenaries have always won wars because the job is easy. You tend not to get bogged down in "hearts and minds" when you're on the clock and your employer can't print their own money.

[Forever_frost]

Hey how was our response time to the Benghazi crisis?

Not bad. You had private individuals there in minutes it was when the government got involved that people were left to die.

[BoostedD1]

Is kermit from long island?! Just askin.

[YALE]

Not bad. You had private individuals there in minutes it was when the government got involved that people were left to die.

How do you see using mercenaries to fight ISIS going differently?

[Denny]

How do you see using mercenaries to fight ISIS going differently?

Set price contract to be paid out with the completion of phases. Don't get involved with the specific operations, that's part of why you're paying them- to figure it out on their own. If they fuck up and kill civilians or innocents, then they are on their own.

As for benefits, they are a private company and should have care and insurance set up for their employees. We had to while we were out there, especially in the absence of military resources. They all sign up knowing what is up.

I had to develop emergency action plans in the absence of military resources and my bid would reflect those options. The DoD wouldn't let me bid unless I had all contengency plans in place.

It is interesting that Frost and I see things the same way. It also solidifies my decision. Most, if not all the people I would hire would be former military anyway.

[Forever_frost]

Set price contract to be paid out with the completion of phases. Don't get involved with the specific operations, that's part of why you're paying them- to figure it out on their own. If they fuck up and kill civilians or innocents, then they are on their own.

As for benefits, they are a private company and should have care and insurance set up for their employees. We had to while we were out there, especially in the absence of military resources. They all sign up knowing what is up.

I had to develop emergency action plans in the absence of military resources and my bid would reflect those options. The DoD wouldn't let me bid unless I had all contengency plans in place.

It is interesting that Frost and I see things the same way. It also solidifies my decision. Most, if not all the people I would hire would be former military anyway.

This is exactly how it's handled. You bid for the job of killing ISIS with bringing the heads of the leaders back as proof. Simple. You get paid on a completed job as far as the company goes and the company pays their employees just like any other company does. Either weekly or biweekly with a set pay and benefits package.

Think how streamlined R&D would be without government having to pander to this group or that one, pay off this company with a contract or that one. Imagine having body armor that actually works and permits you to move decently while giving you protection and having people that are highly motivated and WANT to be there. Guys that aren't paid just above minimum wage and guys that if they fuck up, you send them home. No long drawn out BS, they mess up, they are on the next flight out.

Streamlined, efficient and effective. I know when I got back I wanted to join up but blacking out on missions...not effective.

[likeitfast55]

I see both points and agree. I guess as a country that has always had dip shit politicians control its armed forces, maybe it's time for a change. That thought sends chills up my spine. If terrorists fight unconventionally, so should we.
I might be thinking to traditional in terms of ethics.

[Forever_frost]

You also wouldn't have this BS green on blue attacks as if you're on that base, you showed up with us and we cleared you. You don't get to be a national and be armed because some politician thinks it looks good to have nationals armed on post.

[Denny]

I see both points and agree. I guess as a country that has always had dip shit politicians control its armed forces, maybe it's time for a change. That thought sends chills up my spine. If terrorists fight unconventionally, so should we.
I might be thinking to traditional in terms of ethics.

That's how the Colonists whipped up on the British.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

That's how the Colonists whipped up on the British.

Dont forget the Hessians

[Forever_frost]

And were promptly told that it was unsportsmanly and they should focus on killing anyone not an officer while the leadership sit down to a cup of tea.

[564826]

Adaptability will always prevail in war.

[likeitfast55]

That's how the Colonists whipped up on the British.

I am well aware of the how/why we fought for our independence. When we have the most powerful armed forces in the world, hiring private forces to fight an offensive battle for us is wrong on many levels. It is also an apples to oranges argument.