How Would You React To A Neighbor Flying The ISIS Flag

[Pokulski-Blatz]

Excuse us if we get offended by people/actions that threaten the American way of life. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Groups that are openly anti-American and kill American citizens just because they are American do not deserve personal liberty. And if your personal liberty personally affects me and mine, then it's a problem.
Now, if my neighbor wants to fly his college alma mater or another state flag, then go for it. But if he/she is openly supporting an enemy of our country, then his personal liberty becomes personal.

Well said Dave.

[Pokulski-Blatz]

You're more than welcome to be offended, nobody said you couldn't be. Since when has someone solely flying a flag affected you or yours? A not insignificant number of Americans want to kill muslims solely for being muslim, so I fail so see a difference between the two groups.

Sigh.

[davbrucas]

You're more than welcome to be offended, nobody said you couldn't be. Since when has someone solely flying a flag affected you or yours? A not insignificant number of Americans want to kill muslims solely for being muslim, so I fail so see a difference between the two groups.

Unless you want your kids living under Sharia Law and being forced to convert to Islam or be killed, then you should probably change your views.
As long as Muslims stay in their part of the world and leave my country alone, I couldnt care less about them. But when they start trying to take over America, then of course I am going to want those fuckers dead.
As far as flying a flag affecting someone...it's akin to spitting in someone's face. Not unlike what Obama and the Libs are doing to this country. I'm doing this and there's nothing you can do about it. Well, if my neighbor flies a flag of Islam, then he's looking for a fight.

[GhostTX]

You're more than welcome to be offended, nobody said you couldn't be. Since when has someone solely flying a flag affected you or yours? A not insignificant number of Americans want to kill muslims solely for being muslim, so I fail so see a difference between the two groups.

Hmm...so ISIS just cut the head off an American for being... American. ISIS claims they want to kill more Americans, even threaten Obama. ISIS flies the flag that was flown at the NJ home. And you're all good with that?

[racrguy]

Unless you want your kids living under Sharia Law and being forced to convert to Islam or be killed, then you should probably change your views.

As long as Muslims stay in their part of the world and leave my country alone, I couldnt care less about them.

Alright then. We got the guy responsible for killing thousands of Americans, why don't we stay out of the muslim part of the world?

But when they start trying to take over America, then of course I am going to want those fuckers dead.

When has this happened?

As far as flying a flag affecting someone...it's akin to spitting in someone's face.

So are we not mature enough to tell someone to go fuck themselves when they give us a "fuck you"?

Not unlike what Obama and the Libs are doing to this country.

I'd say the entire government is run by a bunch of fucking retards and not just limit it to Obama and the other liberals.

I'm doing this and there's nothing you can do about it.

Aside from voting them out or going through the courts to get some action, there really isn't anything you can do that couldn't be labeled extreme (rioting, voting from the rooftops, etc.)

Well, if my neighbor flies a flag of Islam, then he's looking for a fight.

Why is that? Simply because he believes in a different means of salvation to the same god that most people believe?

[racrguy]

Hmm...so ISIS just cut the head off an American for being... American. ISIS claims they want to kill more Americans, even threaten Obama. ISIS flies the flag that was flown at the NJ home. And you're all good with that?

I'm talking solely about flying the ISIS flag. People in America are free to say they like ISIS, or even join ISIS. However, they are not free to plot acts of terrorism or kill people. It's called freedom of association, McCarthy!

[GhostTX]

I'm talking solely about flying the ISIS flag. People in America are free to say they like ISIS, or even join ISIS. However, they are not free to plot acts of terrorism or kill people. It's called freedom of association, McCarthy!

So you fully support flying the swastika and dixie flags, right?

[racrguy]

So you fully support flying the swastika and dixie flags, right?

You misunderstand me, I think. Flying the ISIS flag, the Nazi flag or the Dixie should be up to each person as they see fit. HOWEVER: Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. You're free to fly those flags, just as I'm free to think you're a piece of shit for doing so. Some people in this thread are talking about taking action over it, which is wrong IMO.

[Gasser64]

What the fuck are you going on about?

A libbie

Sigh.

... because libbie

[Baba Ganoush]

You misunderstand me, I think. Flying the ISIS flag, the Nazi flag or the Dixie should be up to each person as they see fit. HOWEVER: Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. You're free to fly those flags, just as I'm free to think you're a piece of shit for doing so. Some people in this thread are talking about taking action over it, which is wrong IMO.

Yup I agree....except for that last part.

I'll fly any banner I want, but I could be expecting a fight. Nothing wrong with that. Some people choose not to be cowards. Some people choose to defend what they hold true, instead of constantly pacifying others.

I encourage my enemies to fly their flag, there is respect in choosing a side and letting it be known to all.

[Forever_frost]

When has this happened?

Would you like to visit Dearborne, Michigan?

[racrguy]

I'll fly any banner I want, but I could be expecting a fight. Nothing wrong with that. Some people choose not to be cowards. Some people choose to defend what they hold true, instead of constantly pacifying others.

And the reason you'd be expecting a fight is other retards not recognizing the right of free association. Again, I don't like that he was flying the flag of whatever he was flying, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a right to, and I like rights. There's nothing to defend when a person is merely flying a flag, but there are lines where action could and would be warranted, a flag is not one of those lines. There's nothing to pacify aside from people getting up in arms over meaningless bullshit.

I like the freedom of speech. A lot. I can't stand the WBC and wish they didn't exist, but I'll argue for their right to be fucking assholes on the grounds of free speech.

[line-em-up]

Those barbarians and other groups want to come into America and abuse the freedoms of it and use those same freedoms against us. It's not about them simply flying the flag that they choose and living peaceably along side us. They want to see every single one of us dead.

Anyway. So, we tolerate their flag. Tomorrow, they want equal religious freedom, so we tolerate that too. The next day, they want to be recognized as part of our culture, so we pass laws to protect them and their culture. Of course, they need to have schools and places of worship to spread their message of love and peace. So on and so on.

Inch by inch, we are forced by law to let them integrate with us. After all, we are a melting pot. Do we draw a line somewhere? What happens when we see them everywhere and then one day the car bombings start happening. But..don't be suspicious of people dressed like them. That would be profiling. Now we are one, big, happy society. Lets sing together. "Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya". There. doesn't that make you feel better now? Just be careful where you step. You might step on a body part there on the ground.

Oh, and meet my nephew. He just graduated from that new school they opened in Frisco. You know. The one with that has that funny chanting coming from it.

Here's an article about him.

Shamal Ahmad Tofiq was a fun-loving barber from Frisco, a little northern Texas town in Texas. He liked women and a parties – before he left his small hometown to find himself in Europe.

Now he is back, and, as a fast-rising member of Islamic State, is committed to killing his own countrymen. His family and fellow villagers say they watched from afar, communicating with Tofiq, now known as Sina Ahmad, by Facebook as he descended into radicalization after meeting jihadists in Athens.

“In our village, he was known by everybody and had many friends,” said Chamal Omar, who, like Ahmad, is 26. “His family were poor but they were happy. His father sold shoes. Now we do not know him, he is a stranger. It was in Europe that this happened -- away from his friends.”

While much of Europe worries about the radicalization of homegrown Muslims in mosques where fiery imams exhort young minds to wage a holy war with the West, Ahmad’s path to violent jihad shows the Islamic crucibles of Athens, London and Paris can turn the Middle East’s sons against their own.

“How can our friend now be against us and against his family?"
- Roman Kamal, former friend of radicalized Iraqi members of Islamic State

Ahmad has told stunned friends and family members in blunt words that he has no qualms about fighting his own family, or even killing his own brother, having determined they are living in sin.

Interviews with former friends of Ahmad, as well as his own Facebook posts, paint a chilling picture of how he became a radical committed to killing all those whose lives he deems an affront to Allah. He left his hometown in 2009 to discover Europe, and wound up living in Greece’s capital. One night, he told friends, he drank so heavily that the ensuing hangover convinced him he needed to change.

He turned over the new leaf the next day at a mosque, where he was quickly wooed by Islamic fundamentalists from Yemen, Britain and Pakistan. He kept his family and old pals back home apprised of his new friends on regular Facebook chats, telling them how he was meeting interesting people and attending meetings at the mosque.

Only in retrospect do the old friends realize they were witnessing the radicalization of the young man they still called Shamal. He resurfaced in Syria, where he joined the Al Qaeda-linked Jahbat al Nusra in its bid to oust dictator Bashar al-Assad. Then, like thousands of al Nusra members, he joined the group then known as ISIS as it ascended. With the Islamic State now claiming a caliphate in northern Iraq and Syria, Ahmad is believed to be a central player in the battlefront with Kurdistan.

Ahmad is still active on Facebook, but now his page is replete with graphic images showing horribly disfigured bodies. As recently as a month ago, some old friends received emails from Ahmad urging them to repent, and to join his side. And while most of those who knew him in his previous life are appalled, one friend, who also left Said Sada and at least for a time lived in Rhode Island, is not.

“The whole world is afraid of you now, and victory will eventually be for all Muslims,” the friend, known to the same circle of Said Sada residents as Ahmad, posted alongside a picture of himself praying while surrounded by guns.

Childhood friends of Ahmad, who still live in the small mountain town only an hour from the front lines where Kurds are battling bravely against Islamic State fighters, say his radicalization has shattered their close-knit community, as well as his family, which unequivocally rejects his actions.

“We are fighting against the Islamic State,” said Roman Kamal, 26. “How can our friend now be against us and against his family? We cannot understand.”

Ahmad’s brother, who is fighting with the Kurdish Peshmerga, declined to discuss his brother, as did their father. But friends say the family has been destroyed by the wayward son who now seeks to kill them and the community around them.

“His father is broken now,” said one. “We help him and gather round to heal his broken heart.”

In the small Kurdish town where Ahmad grew up, many young men are taking up arms to fight the Islamic State. They know their fight is for the very survival of their home, and they know if it comes down to it, they may have to kill one man who once lived among them.

“The family has been torn apart,” Omar said. “Like the country.”

[racrguy]

Those barbarians and other groups want to come into America and abuse the freedoms of it and use those freedoms against us. It's not about them simply flying the flag that they choose and living peaceably along side us. They want to see every single one of us dead.

Anyway. So, we tolerate their flag. Tomorrow, they want equal religious freedom, so we tolerate that too. The next day, they want to be recognized as part of our culture, so we pass laws to protect them and their culture. Of course, they need to have schools and places of worship to spread their message of love and peace. So on and so on.

Inch by inch, we are forced by law to let them integrate with us. After all, we are a melting pot. Do we draw a line somewhere? What happens when we see them everywhere and then one day the car bombings start happening. But..don't be suspicious of people dressed like them. That would be profiling. Now we are one, big, happy society. Lets sing together. "Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya". There. doesn't that make you feel better now? Just be careful where you step. You might step on a body part there on the ground.

Oh, and meet my nephew. He just graduated from that new school they opened in Frisco. You know. The one with that has that funny chanting coming from it.

Here's an article about him.

Shamal Ahmad Tofiq was a fun-loving barber from the northern Iraqi town of Said Sada who liked women and a party – before he left his small hometown to find himself in Europe.

Now he is back, and, as a fast-rising member of Islamic State, is committed to killing his own countrymen. His family and fellow villagers say they watched from afar, communicating with Tofiq, now known as Sina Ahmad, by Facebook as he descended into radicalization after meeting jihadists in Athens.

“In our village, he was known by everybody and had many friends,” said Chamal Omar, who, like Ahmad, is 26. “His family were poor but they were happy. His father sold shoes. Now we do not know him, he is a stranger. It was in Europe that this happened -- away from his friends.”

While much of Europe worries about the radicalization of homegrown Muslims in mosques where fiery imams exhort young minds to wage a holy war with the West, Ahmad’s path to violent jihad shows the Islamic crucibles of Athens, London and Paris can turn the Middle East’s sons against their own.

“How can our friend now be against us and against his family?"
- Roman Kamal, former friend of radicalized Iraqi members of Islamic State

Ahmad has told stunned friends and family members in blunt words that he has no qualms about fighting his own family, or even killing his own brother, having determined they are living in sin.

Interviews with former friends of Ahmad, as well as his own Facebook posts, paint a chilling picture of how he became a radical committed to killing all those whose lives he deems an affront to Allah. He left his hometown in the mountains of Kurdistan in 2009 to discover Europe, and wound up living in Greece’s capital. One night, he told friends, he drank so heavily that the ensuing hangover convinced him he needed to change.

He turned over the new leaf the next day at a mosque, where he was quickly wooed by Islamic fundamentalists from Yemen, Britain and Pakistan. He kept his family and old pals back home apprised of his new friends on regular Facebook chats, telling them how he was meeting interesting people and attending meetings at the mosque.

Only in retrospect do the old friends realize they were witnessing the radicalization of the young man they still called Shamal. He resurfaced in Syria, where he joined the Al Qaeda-linked Jahbat al Nusra in its bid to oust dictator Bashar al-Assad. Then, like thousands of al Nusra members, he joined the group then known as ISIS as it ascended. With the Islamic State now claiming a caliphate in northern Iraq and Syria, Ahmad is believed to be a central player in the battlefront with Kurdistan.

Ahmad is still active on Facebook, but now his page is replete with graphic images showing horribly disfigured bodies. As recently as a month ago, some old friends received emails from Ahmad urging them to repent, and to join his side. And while most of those who knew him in his previous life are appalled, one friend, who also left Said Sada and at least for a time lived in Rhode Island, is not.

“The whole world is afraid of you now, and victory will eventually be for all Muslims,” the friend, known to the same circle of Said Sada residents as Ahmad, posted alongside a picture of himself praying while surrounded by guns.

Childhood friends of Ahmad, who still live in the small mountain town only an hour from the front lines where Kurds are battling bravely against Islamic State fighters, say his radicalization has shattered their close-knit community, as well as his family, which unequivocally rejects his actions.

“We are fighting against the Islamic State,” said Roman Kamal, 26. “How can our friend now be against us and against his family? We cannot understand.”

Ahmad’s brother, who is fighting with the Kurdish Peshmerga, declined to discuss his brother, as did their father. But friends say the family has been destroyed by the wayward son who now seeks to kill them and the community around them.

“His father is broken now,” said one. “We help him and gather round to heal his broken heart.”

In the small Kurdish town where Ahmad grew up, many young men are taking up arms to fight the Islamic State. They know their fight is for the very survival of their home, and they know if it comes down to it, they may have to kill one man who once lived among them.

“The family has been torn apart,” Omar said. “Like the country.”

I don't know if you know this or not, but you aren't free to threaten people, nor are you free to kill them. How again is that an abuse of freedom? Your nephew lives in Iraq? Seems like some copy pasta bullshit to me, the only link I can find with that name even in it leads to Fox News. Here's the link

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/08/21/radicalized-how-one-iraqi-returned-from-europe-ready-to-kill-family-friends/

The guy who wrote it seems to be rather new, because no "news" stories on Fox are credited to him prior to August 18, 2014.

[lowthreeohz]

Hmm...so ISIS just cut the head off an American for being... American. ISIS claims they want to kill more Americans, even threaten Obama. ISIS flies the flag that was flown at the NJ home. And you're all good with that?

Unless I misread the article they are in fact not the same. The one in nj was black with some saying about allah and muhammed, the isis flag had a round emblem on it and the same or similar saying.