New Antarctic sea-ice record

[Nash B.]

That graph makes many of them look pretty close to the measured temperatures.

[Gasser64]

Your comment kind of scarily edges on "theories are just guesses". ns.

So an educated guess. Best guess

Theories are proven wrong all the time

the·o·ry
ˈTHēərē,ˈTHi(ə)rē/
noun
noun: theory; plural noun: theories

a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.
"Darwin's theory of evolution"
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opinion, view, belief, contention
"I reckon that confirms my theory"
principles, ideas, concepts;
philosophy, ideology, system of ideas, science
"modern economic theory"
a set of principles on which the practice of an activity is based.
"a theory of education"
an idea used to account for a situation or justify a course of action.
"my theory would be that the place has been seriously mismanaged"

[exlude]

So an educated guess. Best guess

That's an amazingly simplified way to put it.

[jyro]

What I put in print every time I see this crap:
The climate has been changing on Earth for 4 billion years. We are here because of climate change. Where ever you are on Earth at another time it has been the bottom of a sea, and in another time under hundreds of feet of ice. The only constant in Earth's climate IS change.

Don't waste valuable resources to try and prevent unstoppable, natural climate change. Life on Earth that survives climate change adapts to that change.

[Ruffdaddy]

Models when used by politicians always serve one goal and it's rarely tied closely to the benefit of science.

I use models all the time (FEM/FEA included) to analyze new designs with great accuracy. Now if you were to give a politician those models, they would apply it to damn near everything and find a way to make it a new tax...

[Ruffdaddy]

By the way...I have always agreed with climate change as it's well known and unstoppable. Global warming is a bunch of bull shit in hopes of getting a carbon tax.

[Broncojohnny]

Any science that challenges your preconceived concept that you have it all figured out.

I always looked at it from the point of view that I am challenging the idea that someone else has figured it out.

[exlude]

I always looked at it from the point of view that I am challenging the idea that someone else has figured it out.

Fair enough, as long as it's past "see, I told you it was all bullshit" or the ad hominem drivel that we already saw here.

[GhostTX]

People need to stop taking single studies as the final word on anything. Thousands of studies come together to form an overarching picture. But most people get their "understanding" from news blurbs, sometimes posted in political forums and are only looking for vindication.

Forgot about this already (ill-fated Akademik Shokalskiy)?

[racrguy]

The lack of understanding how science works that's being shown in this thread is scary, but not surprising.

[Gasser64]

That's an amazingly simplified way to put it.

Yeah you can get more complicated with it if you want just like anything. but thats the gist of it. I know you dont like it, but thems the breaks

[exlude]

Yeah you can get more complicated with it if you want just like anything. but thats the gist of it. I know you dont like it, but thems the breaks

Well the problem is it's oversimplified to the point of inaccuracy by omission and typically used only to convolute a discussion with word games. When discussing scientific theory, people who call theories "best guesses" can quickly be assumed to either have zero argument of substance, a lack of understanding, or a combination of both.

[GhostTX]

Global warming computer models confounded as Antarctic sea ice hits new record high with 2.1million square miles more than is usual for time of year

• Ice is covering 16m sq km, more than 2.1m unusual for time of year
• UN computer models say Antarctic ice should be in decline, not increasing

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2681829/Global-warming-latest-Amount-Antarctic-sea-ice-hits-new-record-high.html

[racrguy]

Well the problem is it's oversimplified to the point of inaccuracy by omission and typically used only to convolute a discussion with word games. When discussing scientific theory, people who call theories "best guesses" can quickly be assumed to either have zero argument of substance, a lack of understanding, or a combination of both.

That's just like, your opinion man.

[Gasser64]

Well the problem is it's oversimplified to the point of inaccuracy by omission and typically used only to convolute a discussion with word games. When discussing scientific theory, people who call theories "best guesses" can quickly be assumed to either have zero argument of substance, a lack of understanding, or a combination of both.

Sorry bro, ive been to college too

I didnt see anything in any of my classes that would suggest that any theory warrants anything better. The very fact that theyre proven wrong so often supports this from anyone who doesnt have more than just a mild interest in a given subject. For me specifically it was and remains geology

You seem to have some kind of weird attachment to setting theories on a high pedestal. Almost as if its something you love and worship lol. To me theyre just not worth much. Theyd be worth a lot more to me if they lastedlonger. Todays well supported theory is tomorrows trash