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    The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the IRS share a problem: officials say they cannot provide the emails a congressional committee has requested because an employee’s hard drive crashed.

    EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy confirmed to the House Oversight Committee Wednesday that her staff is unable to provide lawmakers all of the documents they have requested on the proposed Pebble Mine in Alaska, because of a 2010 computer crash.

    “We’re having trouble getting the data off of it and we’re trying other sources to actually supplement that,” McCarthy said. “We’re challenged in figuring out where those small failures might have occurred and what caused them occur, but we’ve produced a lot of information.”

    The revelation came less than two weeks after IRS officials told Congress that Lois Lerner, the official at the center of the controversy over the targeting of conservative tax-exempt groups, also suffered from a hard drive crash that makes it difficult to comply with records requests.

    The committee suspects that Phillip North, who worked for the EPA in Alaska, decided with his colleagues to veto the proposed Pebble Mine near Bristol Bay in 2009, before the agency even began researching its potential impacts on the environment.

    Committee staffers have been trying for about a year to interview North, but he has been in New Zealand and refuses to cooperate, they said.

    “We have tried to serve a subpoena on your former employee and we have asked for the failed hard drive from this Alaskan individual who now is in New Zealand, and seems to never be returning,” Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), the committee’s chairman, said Wednesday.

    Emails provided by the committee show that EPA told congressional investigators about the hard drive crash months ago. But McCarthy said she only told the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) about the problem Tuesday.

    The NARA enforces the Federal Records Act, which governs federal agencies’ responsibilities to maintain records.

    Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) said EPA probably violated the Federal Records Act by not backing up North’s emails.

    “It looks like the Federal Records Act has been violated by the EPA,” Meadows said. Did he preserve his emails? That is required by the Federal Records Act.”

    “We may have some emails that we cannot produce that we should have kept,” McCarthy admitted.

    The Federal Records Act has also taken center stage in the IRS controversy. David Ferreiro, head of the NARA, told lawmakers Tuesday that the IRS did not follow the Federal Records Act in its policies for preserving emails.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
    The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the IRS share a problem: officials say they cannot provide the emails a congressional committee has requested because an employee’s hard drive crashed.
    How stupid do they think we are? Emails are not stored on local hard drives, they are on servers.

    The idea that a government official's computer "crashes" and that all correspondence or documents are lost is preposterous. You can't even pull the wool over the most uneducated Americans' eyes with this bullshit.
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    • #3
      Bet me.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by 46Tbird View Post
        How stupid do they think we are? Emails are not stored on local hard drives, they are on servers.

        The idea that a government official's computer "crashes" and that all correspondence or documents are lost is preposterous. You can't even pull the wool over the most uneducated Americans' eyes with this bullshit.
        It's like they think no one knows what an exchange server is.
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        • #5
          These agencies need to be repeatedly slapped. A strong, powdered pimp slap with a cupped hand.

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          • #6
            My corporate mailbox is 500mb. I keep about 2 weeks of email before i have to archive to a PST. So far i have one for 2012, two for 2013 and one for 2014. I'm about a week from starting up my 2nd.

            Best part is that even if my hard drive lives, PST's do get corrupt.

            Its a convenient excuse because its a bitch to provide email data during a discovery. Especially when trying to hide something because it weakens your case.

            But unless they involve a 3rd party for bit level data recovery (which is very possible and within reason) this will just be their word against others. Anyone with a brain is rolling their eyes.

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            • #7
              At this rate it is only a matter of time until another Timothy McVeigh happens. Unfortunate as hell, but I can see individuals fed up with government enough for it to happen.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Binky View Post
                My corporate mailbox is 500mb. I keep about 2 weeks of email before i have to archive to a PST. So far i have one for 2012, two for 2013 and one for 2014. I'm about a week from starting up my 2nd.

                Best part is that even if my hard drive lives, PST's do get corrupt.

                Its a convenient excuse because its a bitch to provide email data during a discovery. Especially when trying to hide something because it weakens your case.

                But unless they involve a 3rd party for bit level data recovery (which is very possible and within reason) this will just be their word against others. Anyone with a brain is rolling their eyes.
                They should have backup tapes of the servers, which would include email before it was archived. With their strict laws on what they have to keep, I doubt they lost anything.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by line-em-up View Post
                  They should have backup tapes of the servers, which would include email before it was archived. With their strict laws on what they have to keep, I doubt they lost anything.
                  You are correct.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TeeShock View Post
                    These agencies need to be repeatedly slapped. A strong, powdered pimp slap with a cupped hand.
                    Just a matter of time I hope.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by line-em-up View Post
                      They should have backup tapes of the servers, which would include email before it was archived. With their strict laws on what they have to keep, I doubt they lost anything.
                      Not saying all govt agencies are the same, but at USPS all emails in our inbox are deleted after 60 days unless we save them locally on our machine. Granted we have 400k email ACCTS but not sure about IRS....who knows.

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                      • #12
                        Lol, like they couldn't recover these emails even if they were actually lost in a "hard drive crash"
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by crapstang View Post
                          Lol, like they couldn't recover these emails even if they were actually lost in a "hard drive crash"
                          They destroyed the file stores - 'prematurely.'

                          Oopsie.

                          The IRS prematurely “retired” data-storage devices and filled out “disposal” documents for hardware that still existed and was supposed to still be in use, according to a Sept. 24, 2013 Treasury Inspector General (TIGTA) report entitled “Increased Oversight of Information Technology Hardware Maintenance Contracts Is Necessary To Ensure Against Paying for Unnecessary Services.”
                          When the government pays, the government controls.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by aggie97 View Post
                            Not saying all govt agencies are the same, but at USPS all emails in our inbox are deleted after 60 days unless we save them locally on our machine. Granted we have 400k email ACCTS but not sure about IRS....who knows.
                            But if the IRS requires you to keep records for 7 years, or they will nail your ass to a wall. Shouldn't they practice the same?
                            Originally posted by BradM
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bcoop View Post
                              But if the IRS requires you to keep records for 7 years, or they will nail your ass to a wall. Shouldn't they practice the same?
                              IF their data is going to be used to potentially incarcerate someone or confiscate property or wealth, there should be no timer or delete button...PERIOD.

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