Iraq seems to be going well....

[helosailor]

I absolutely agree that there are necessary evils in this world. As vile as Saddam and Gaddafi were, they kept some sort of order. We are guilty of turning the coals and heating up the fire pit in the middle east.

Known evil is always better than the unknown. And truth be told, I don't know how evil those guys were. They knew how to keep their people in check and did so.

This is what I've been saying for about 12 years now. For all of their flaws, they kept the shitstorm to a relative dull roar. Now, that shit has been cranked up to 11.

[Sean88gt]

I absolutely agree that there are necessary evils in this world. As vile as Saddam and Gaddafi were, they kept some sort of order. We are guilty of turning the coals and heating up the fire pit in the middle east.

Known evil is always better than the unknown. And truth be told, I don't know how evil those guys were. They knew how to keep their people in check and did so.

[SBFORDTECH]

tl;dr,IDC, but how is obama the closest thing to a jew? what does that even mean? i'm floored right now.

He said that himself about a week ago.

[Tremor14]

tl;dr,IDC, but how is obama the closest thing to a jew? what does that even mean? i'm floored right now.

[Denny]

Oh he is VERY competent and knows how to play his voting base and how to get his party to do what he wants. No one else could have muscled Obamacare through, or spend 6 years blaming the previous party for a depression and debt that you ran up or losing footing in wars that you claim were over.

The man is very clever.

Then what is his motive?

[Forever_frost]

Oh he is VERY competent and knows how to play his voting base and how to get his party to do what he wants. No one else could have muscled Obamacare through, or spend 6 years blaming the previous party for a depression and debt that you ran up or losing footing in wars that you claim were over.

The man is very clever.

[SBFORDTECH]

Maybe not calculated, but allowed and (dare I say) welcomed. A little controlled chaos to keep us important?

You're presuming a lot of of competence on the part of the Obama administration.

I will dare to say that I believe Obama and his former and current members of his administration are far more competent than we would like them to be. The Obama administration is one of the most accomplished administrations that our country has seen. Those accomplishments may not be the will and wishes of the majority of Americans but he is damn sure accomplishing everything he told us he would in 07-08.

[SBFORDTECH]

That's why some of the middle eastern countries apparently NEED a strong arm dictator instead of the Arab Spring "democracies" obammy was so proud of having a hand in a few years back. Think Libya for instance...

The U.S. screwed up during the Carter era by not backing the Shah of Iran, and Bush found out that Iraq after ousting Saddam was no better if not worse than before.

I absolutely agree that there are necessary evils in this world. As vile as Saddam and Gaddafi were, they kept some sort of order. We are guilty of turning the coals and heating up the fire pit in the middle east.

[The King]

What's embarrassing is ISIS has done a better job at creating a government, state, and economy better than we ever were.

Because they utilize fear and muscle... the only thing those savages respond to.

That's why some of the middle eastern countries apparently NEED a strong arm dictator instead of the Arab Spring "democracies" obammy was so proud of having a hand in a few years back. Think Libya for instance...

The U.S. screwed up during the Carter era by not backing the Shah of Iran, and Bush found out that Iraq after ousting Saddam was no better if not worse than before.

[GhostTX]

Never was able to figure that out. At times they're grossly incompetent. Other times they seem very on top of certain things.Its like it comes and goes.



Yep. I can just see ISIS rolling through town doing their thing, and the locals going "Oh... ok. I get it now. Yeah, we're good. Cool."

@bolded. Seriously? Like what...?

[Gasser64]

You're presuming a lot of of competence on the part of the Obama administration.

Never was able to figure that out. At times they're grossly incompetent. Other times they seem very on top of certain things. Its like it comes and goes.

Because they utilize fear and muscle... the only thing those savages respond to.

Yep. I can just see ISIS rolling through town doing their thing, and the locals going "Oh... ok. I get it now. Yeah, we're good. Cool."

[SBFORDTECH]

Because they utilize fear and muscle... the only thing those savages respond to.

I really don't get the parade thing.....

I know that we are more concerned about civilian casualties than just about anything but i wouldn't imagine that there were many "innocent" civilians there protesting ISIS. That fucking HWY should have been bombed until it resembled the Grand Canyon.


One would also think that since Obama is the closest thing to a Jew, he would be more inclined to take King Abdullah's approach and only worry about running out of bullets and fuel. Maybe he's not what he says he is......

[Trip McNeely]

I remember READING About when we used to...

[Denny]

What's embarrassing is ISIS has done a better job at creating a government, state, and economy better than we ever were.

Because they utilize fear and muscle... the only thing those savages respond to.

[SBFORDTECH]

It was at that time (and shortly after). Now, who knows?

I don't think they planned for ISIS to hit Mosel as well as they did. I don't think they planned on them securing as much money and gold as ISIS did. I'm sure they didn't expect ISIS to seize oil sites and start running it as their business. They sure as hell didn't plan on the Iraqi government folding as easily as they did (somewhat, maybe) and want to keep us out while looking towards Iran for support.

It definitely snowballed quickly.

What's embarrassing is ISIS has done a better job at creating a government, state, and economy better than we ever were.