Professional “Doublespeak” –

[cyclonescott]

– Susan Rice and Chuck Hagel: “We Did Not Negotiate With Terrorists”, We Negotiated With The Taliban…


It should be contemplated the White House position, when trying to get the GITMO detainees moved to -and tried in- New York federal court, was that we were not at war, these were not enemy combatants – they were terrorists and the DOJ was the agency to prosecute them and not a Military Court at GITMO.

Remember that ! Because what you are about to hear in 2014 is 180° in exactly the opposite direction. You can’t logically call them “terrorists” and NOT enemies of war in 2010, and then turn around in 2014 and claim they are prisoners of a war and not terrorists.

Well, actually you can do that, but only so long as the media don’t call you out on it. Do you think they will? Think about it…… then watch.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/06/01/professional-doublespeak-susan-rice-and-chuck-hagel-we-did-not-negotiate-with-terrorists-we-negotiated-with-the-taliban/

[Sean88gt]

The more I've thought about this, the more angry I've gotten. Watch for an explosion in the numbers of kidnapped Americans.

[SS Junk]

Well, actually you can do that, but only so long as the media don’t call you out on it. Do you think they will? Think about it…… then watch.

I hope someone has the balls to berate Carneyval Clownshoes at the next briefing.

[GhostTX]

I'm hearing the guy that was released got caught by the Taliban because he abandoned his post during a fire fight?

[bcoop]

I'm hearing the guy that was released got caught by the Taliban because he abandoned his post during a fire fight?

Deserter.

[sc281]

I'm hearing the guy that was released got caught by the Taliban because he abandoned his post during a fire fight?

In that case they should have left him there.

[aggie97]

In that case they should have left him there.

Apparently 6 more soldiers died looking for him if the stuff I am reading on the net is true.

Other sources are saying Obama broke the law by making this exchange? How? I'm not familiar with the deals however, if we knew where he was, why not just snatch him and then hang the 5 bastards they wanted back? Caving and negotiating sends the wrong message....we have known that since the 1950's.

[silverhatch]

Apparently 6 more soldiers died looking for him if the stuff I am reading on the net is true.

Other sources are saying Obama broke the law by making this exchange? How? I'm not familiar with the deals however, if we knew where he was, why not just snatch him and then hang the 5 bastards they wanted back? Caving and negotiating sends the wrong message....we have known that since the 1950's.

Obama.

[BP]

Well look what they traded, this is from NPR's site. There is absolutely no conservative spin in the article. They were all 5 senior leaders, not foot soldiers.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/05/31/317704932/who-were-the-five-guant-namo-detainees-released-in-prisoner-swap

Who Are The 5 Guantanamo Detainees In Prisoner Swap?
by EYDER PERALTA
May 31, 2014 4:58 PM ET
As part of a prisoner swap to free Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the United States agreed to transfer five Guantánamo detainees to Qatar.

NPR's Tom Bowman received a list of the prisoners being released from a Pentagon official. According to documents leaked to the organization WikiLeaks, all five prisoners were high-ranking Taliban officials. Some were considered high-risk and "likely to post a threat to the U.S., its interests and allies."

U.S. officials said working with the government of Qatar, they had ameliorated some of those risks, because the detainees will face restrictions on their movements and activities.

Using those leaked documents as a basis, NPR and The New York Times built a database on the prisoners in Guantánamo. Here's a brief look at who they are:

— Mullah Mohammad Fazl: Is thought to be 46 or 47 years old. According to documents from the Joint Task Force Guantánamo:

"Detainee aas the Taliban Deputy Minister of Defense during Operation Enduring Freedom and is an admitted senior commander who served as Chief of Staff of the Taliban Army and as a commander of the 22nd Division. Detainee is wanted by the UN for possible War crimes including the murder of thousands of Shiites. Detainee was associated with terrorist groups currently opposing US and Coalition forces."
— Mullah Norullah Noori: Is thought to be 46 or 47 years old. According to the documents:

"Detainee was a senior Taliban military commander in Mazar-e-Sharif during hostilities against US and Coalition forces in late 2001. Detainee was also the Taliban governor for the Balkh and Laghman provinces and is wanted by the United Nations (UN) for possible war crimes including the murder of thousands of Shiite Muslims. Detainee is associated with Supreme Taliban Commander Mullah Muhammad Omar, other senior Taliban officials, senior al-Qaida members and other extremist organizations and has remained a significant figure to Taliban supporters. Detainee's brother is a Taliban."
— Muhammad Nabi: Is thought to be 45 or 46 years old. According to the documents, he was considered "high risk," "high threat," and of "high" "intelligence value." The documents add:

"Detainee was a senior Taliban official who served in multiple leadership roles. Detainee had strong operational ties to Anti-Coalition Militia (ACM) groups including al-Qaida, the Taliban, the Haqqani Network, and the Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin... Detainee was a member of a joint al-Qaida/ Taliban ACM cell in Khowst and was involved in attacks against US and Coalition forces. Detainee maintained weapons caches and facilitated the smuggling of fighters and weapons."
— Khirullah Said Wali Khairkhwa: Is thought to be 46 or 47 years old. According to the documents:

"Detainee was a senior Taliban official serving as the Minister of Interior, Governor of Herat, and a military commander. Detainee was directly associated to Usama Bin Laden (UBL) and Taliban Supreme Commander Mullah Muhammad Omar, and was added to the UN financial freeze list. Following the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks, detainee represented the Taliban during meetings with Iranian officials seeking to support hostilities against US and Coalition forces. Detainee also attended a meeting at the direction of UBL, reportedly accompanied by members of HAMAS. Detainee and his deputy were probably associated with a militant training camp in Herat operated by deceased al-Qaida commander (in Iraq) Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Detainee was identified as a narcotics trafficker and probably used his position and influences to become one of the major opium drug lords in Western Afghanistan. Detainee probably used profits from drugs to promote Taliban interests in the area."
— Abdul Haq Wasiq: Is believed to be 42 or 43 years old. According to the documents:

"Detainee served as the Taliban Deputy Minister of Intelligence. Detainee had direct access to Taliban and Hezb-e-Islarni Gulbuddin leadership. He was central to the Taliban's efforts to form alliances with other Islamic fundamentalist groups to fight alongside the Taliban against US and Coalition forces after the 11 September 2001 attacks. Detainee utilized his office to support al-Qaida and to assist Taliban personnel elude capture. Detainee arranged for al-Qaida personnel to train Taliban intelligence staff in intelligence methods."

[talisman]

They need to keep a state of perpetual war going to keep 1984'ing us, so it makes perfect sense.

[Sean88gt]

Makes the Hamilton trade seem like a pretty swinging deal.

[GhostTX]

Take a look at this tweet from released Army SGT Bowe Bergdahl’s father — which has since disappeared from his account.

Folks, this is either a very bad case of Stockholm Syndrome or something far more nefarious is at stake. Regardless, there is more to this than meets the eye of Obama making a unilateral decision and announcement on a Saturday — when he believes no one is watching.

This is not just going to slip away and we’re not going to get caught up in the emotion of Bergdahl’s release. He wasn’t “captured” — he deserted his assigned post.

http://allenbwest.com/2014/06/bergdahls-fathers-deleted-tweet-smoking-gun/#zQWZSBTZDQeF6Ezg.99

[GhostTX]

Apparently 6 more soldiers died looking for him if the stuff I am reading on the net is true.

Other sources are saying Obama broke the law by making this exchange? How? I'm not familiar with the deals however, if we knew where he was, why not just snatch him and then hang the 5 bastards they wanted back? Caving and negotiating sends the wrong message....we have known that since the 1950's.

The President can't make a deal like this without Congressional approval, and he did not. Didn't even notify.

...
The law requires the defense secretary to notify relevant congressional committees at least 30 days before making any transfers of prisoners, to explain the reason and to provide assurances that those released would not be in a position to reengage in activities that could threaten the United States or its interests.

Before the current law was enacted at the end of last year, the conditions were even more stringent. However, the administration and some Democrats had pressed for them to be loosened, in part to give them more flexibility to negotiate for Bergdahl’s release.

A senior administration official, agreeing to speak on the condition of anonymity to explain the timing of the congressional notification, acknowledged that the law was not followed. When he signed the law last year, Obama issued a signing statement contending that the notification requirement was an unconstitutional infringement on his powers as commander in chief and that he therefore could override it.
...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bergdahl-release-arrangement-could-threaten-the-safety-of-americans-republicans-say/2014/05/31/35e47a2a-e8ff-11e3-afc6-a1dd9407abcf_print.html

So, once again Obama doesn't like a law, he just doesn't follow it.

[helosailor]

Apparently, treasonous birds of a feather stick together.

[talisman]

Calm down guys. It's only like his 18th impeachable offense.