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    WASHINGTON (AP) — In an unprecedented move, the Pentagon is trying to transfer convicted national security leaker Pvt. Chelsea Manning to a civilian prison so she can get treatment for her gender disorder, defense officials said.

    Manning, formerly named Bradley, was convicted of sending classified documents to anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks. The soldier has asked for hormone therapy and to be able to live as a woman.

    The request was the first ever made by a transgender military inmate and set up a dilemma for the Defense Department: How to treat a soldier for a diagnosed disorder without violating long-standing military policy. Transgender people are not allowed to serve in the U.S. military and the Defense Department does not provide such treatment, but Manning can't be discharged from the service while serving her 35-year prison sentence.

    Some officials have said privately that keeping the soldier in a military prison and unable to have treatment could amount to cruel and unusual punishment.

    Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel last month gave the Army approval to try to work out a transfer plan with the Federal Bureau of Prisons, which does provide such treatment, two Pentagon officials said on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record.

    "No decision to transfer Pvt. Manning to a civilian detention facility has been made, and any such decision will, of course, properly balance the soldier's medical needs with our obligation to ensure Pvt. Manning remains behind bars," Pentagon press secretary Rear Adm. John Kirby said.
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    The two agencies are just starting discussions about prospects for a transfer, the two officials said.

    The Army has a memorandum of agreement with the Bureau of Prisons for use of several hundred beds and has sent an average of 15 to 20 prisoners a year to civilian prisons. But circumstances are different in Manning's case. The Army normally transfers some prisoners to federal prisons after all military appeals have been exhausted and discharge from military service has been executed. Cases of national security interest are not normally approved for transfer from military custody to the federal prison system.

    The former intelligence analyst was sentenced in August for six Espionage Act violations and 14 other offenses for giving WikiLeaks more than 700,000 secret military and U.S. State Department documents, along with battlefield video, while working in Iraq in 2009 and 2010. An Army general later upheld the convictions, clearing the way for an appeal at the Army Court of Criminal Appeals.

    After the conviction, Manning announced the desire to live as a woman and to be called Chelsea, a name change that was approved last month by a Leavenworth County District Judge and that the military did not oppose.

    The soldier has been diagnosed by military doctors multiple times — including last fall after arriving at the Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, prison — with gender dysphoria, the sense of being a woman in a man's body.

    By November, a military doctor there had approved a treatment plan, including hormone therapy, but it was sent higher up the chain of command for consideration, according to a complaint filed by Manning in March over the delay in getting treatment.

    The plan the military was considering has not been publicly released, but Manning said in the complaint that she had specifically asked that the treatment "plan consider ... three types of treatment."

    Those were "real life experience" — a regimen in which the person tries dressing and living as the sex they want to transition to (something not possible in the Leavenworth men's facility); hormone therapy, which changes some physical traits such as breast and hair growth; and sex reassignnment surgery. Manning has not been specific about possible surgery, but experts in transgender health say it can include any of a large number of procedures such as chest reconstruction, genital reconstruction and plastic surgery such as facial reconstruction.

    Hagel said Sunday that the prohibition on transgender individuals serving in the armed forces "continually should be reviewed." He didn't indicate whether he believes the policy should be overturned but said "every qualified American who wants to serve our country should have an opportunity if they fit the qualifications and can do it." A transgender individual is someone who has acquired the physical characteristics of the opposite sex or presents himself or herself in a way that does not correspond with that person's sex at birth.

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    They are systematically neglecting our veterans while accommodating a crossed up traitor. Is this Bizzaro world?

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    • #3
      They should shoot him in the back of the head and release his body to the family. No muss, no fuss, and save taxpayer dollars.
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      • #4
        Just imagine what would be being said if he was sentenced to having his dick and balls cut off. This also proves that male homosexuality is a mental disorder.
        Magnus, I am your father. You need to ask your mother about a man named Calvin Klein.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by svo855 View Post
          Just imagine what would be being said if he was sentenced to having his dick and balls cut off. This also proves that male homosexuality is a mental disorder.
          Oh I have no doubt he/she is mentally disabled. The problem is that it's command knew it, reported it and yet he/she still had access to sensitive documents.

          I'm convinced the Army needs to have a homosexual, transgender and conscientious objector brigade. Send them to Nigeria to look for the kidnapped girls the left cares about all of a sudden.

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          • #6
            If you have a Y chromosome, you're a male. This is not a difficult concept.
            Originally posted by lincolnboy
            After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
              If you have a Y chromosome, you're a male. This is not a difficult concept.
              This. Now if you want to go around fucking guys then have fun; I don't care at all. But this whole transgender thing is just bullshit. If you are genetically a male you can spend thousands on rerouting plumbing, but that doesn't change genetics.
              I don't like Republicans, but I really FUCKING hate Democrats.


              Sex with an Asian woman is great, but 30 minutes later you're horny again.

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              • #8
                what if you've got a double Y chromosome?
                http://www.truthcontest.com/entries/...iversal-truth/

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cooter View Post
                  what if you've got a double Y chromosome?
                  Then you would be more of a man than I'll ever be.
                  I don't like Republicans, but I really FUCKING hate Democrats.


                  Sex with an Asian woman is great, but 30 minutes later you're horny again.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
                    If you have a Y chromosome, you're a male. This is not a difficult concept.
                    *sigh*.....

                    Alright, enough of this. It certainly seems that way to the average layperson, but it's not that simple. Those of you that have an open mind and are ready to learn something new - pay attention.

                    A person's birth sex and their gender are two different things. Gender is between the ears, sex is between the legs. They are not directly related even though for the majority of people they match. For a transgendered person they don't match.

                    I have a transgender family member. Being exposed to it I had to educate myself on the condition. It is biological, a birth defect - because it's a condition that originates in the mothers womb during the second trimester of pregnancy.

                    We all essentially start out as female in the womb; it takes being exposed to testosterone to convert the body parts to male (which happens in the first trimester) and to convert the brain to male (which happens in the 2nd trimester). If a baby gets enough testosterone in the first trimester to make the physical changes but not enough in the 2nd trimester the brain develops as female - you get a Chelsa Manning. There are all kinds of things that cause that to happen but one of the major ones is a class of substances called endocrine disruptors. You can google thet term if you want to know more.

                    One of those disruptors is a very popular drug given to pregnant women in the late 50's thru the 70's called Diethylstilbestrol, or DES for short. DES is a very powerful synthetic estrogen (it is much stronger than what is prescribed to women today). DES was commonly prescribed in the 2nd trimester of pregancy; the so called smith and smith protocol. My family member was exposed to DES in utero.

                    Medical science is making headway in discovering concrete proof of the condition for all of the skeptics out there. The Dutch have done a study where they examined transgendered person's brains post mortem and they found something interesting - there is a region of the brain called the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis, or BTSc for short. The size of it is a reliable indicator of the persons birth sex. Biological men have a larger BTSc that biological women do. In a transgendered male-to-female person their BTSc is the same size as a biological woman's, and for female-to-male transgendered persons their BTSc is the same size as a biological male's it. I don't understand all of the mumbo jumbo about how the BTSc affects gender, but from what I understand it has something to do with being connected to the hypothalamus.

                    Here is a 6 minute video of a professor at Stanford discussing this study.

                    What is Gender Orientation? http://www.transadvocate.com/gender-orientation.htmPart of a lecture given on May 5, 2010 by Prof. Robert Sapolsky at Stanford Un...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by mikeb View Post
                      A person's birth sex and their gender are two different things. Gender is between the ears, sex is between the legs. They are not directly related even though for the majority of people they match. For a transgendered person they don't match.
                      No. Liberals are trying to impart this new definition of "gender" upon us, but I'll stick with the definition that goes back hundreds of years.
                      Originally posted by lincolnboy
                      After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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                      • #12
                        hell yeah man, fuck science! this here bible that was written hundreds of years ago tells us everything we need to know about everything!
                        http://www.truthcontest.com/entries/...iversal-truth/

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
                          No. Liberals are trying to impart this new definition of "gender" upon us, but I'll stick with the definition that goes back hundreds of years.
                          This. YOu have butch girls and sissy boys. It doesn't mean you were a chick in a man's body, it means you're probably a pussy male that loves the cock.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DOHCTR View Post
                            No. Liberals are trying to impart this new definition of "gender" upon us, but I'll stick with the definition that goes back hundreds of years.
                            So...... you reject the advances that have been made in medical science and in medical treatments, and you want treatments that go back hundreds of years? If you got cancer you would want leaches instead of taking a trip to MD Anderson and getting chemo & radiation?

                            This isn't a liberal/conservative issue - it's a medical issue.

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                            • #15
                              Thank god we have dfwmustangs, now we don't have to pay people to actually know what they're talking about.

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