History repeats itself...

[racrguy]

Man, this is a damned powder keg if I ever saw one. If both sides don't play this just right it's gonna blow up.

[Danny46]

Not gonna lie, I didn't think much of it at first, but this is starting to get pretty volatile. Although that article specifies that THREE PEOPLE from militias have shown up...not a line of soldiers quite yet.

[Forever_frost]

You have to remember, a lot of these militia members and Oath Keepers are military, special forces and police.

[LANTIRN]

Not gonna lie, I didn't think much of it at first, but this is starting to get pretty volatile. Although that article specifies that THREE PEOPLE from militias have shown up...not a line of soldiers quite yet.

Well more are supposed to be on the way. We will see if they show up or not, but ANY showing up is a good indication of how volitile this is becoming.

[line-em-up]

The BLM is setting up shop right here in our own back yard.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152735638969167

BLM needs to take their happy asses back to wherever they came from before they end up floating down the river. Their blood will give a new meaning to the name Red River.

[LANTIRN]

After reading about this and thinking about it I have to say I think the feds are in the right, as much I don't like to admit it. Unless other information comes out, it is federal land and them kicking people off is just like me kicking someone out of my land. Unless there is some old lease or old grazing laws still in effect I don't see ths rancher winning. What gets me though is all the feds had to do is make it illegal and arrest him for trespassing and take him to court, but I guess that made too much sense to try. Now we have both sides acting like jackasses and they are having a dick measuring contest that no one is going to win. It will be Ruby Ridge and Waco all over again. I hope I am wrong but it is not looking good at this point.

[Forever_frost]

Further news: The rancher said he has no problem paying the state and county but the federal government doesn't own the land. I agree with him

[LANTIRN]

Further news: The rancher said he has no problem paying the state and county but the federal government doesn't own the land. I agree with him

But the feds do own the land. That is why they call it Federal Land.

[Forever_frost]

But the feds do own the land. That is why they call it Federal Land.

No, the feds claim to own the land but I find no authorization for the federal government to own land in their mandate outside of DC. As the federal government may not act without authority (legally), a lack of constitutional authority means a lack of authority at all. Now if you're claiming they have the ownership because they have a monopoly of force we can discuss that but no, constitutionally, they have no ownership of anything outside of Washington DC.

[racrguy]

Heeeeere we go....

[Scott Mc]

I know one thing, I would quit if I was a cop in that area.

[Broncojohnny]

I don't know what sane person gives a shit about some turtles enough to have a standoff at a cost of a few million dollars. But this is the federal government we are talking about. They have no problem wasting tons of money and potentially killing people just to show they have control of some worthless desert land that no one cares about. Land of the Free.

[dee]

Yeager is headed up there.

He's a dumbass.

[matts5.0]

Here is one of the better explanations: I'd like to share this here. It's kinda long so I'll hang up and listen to your responses...

Quick Google search for "Shiree Bundy Cox letter"...

Clive Bundy’s daughter Shiree Bundy Cox in a letter explains the feud from the family’s perspective:

“I have had people ask me to explain my dad’s stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the survival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. The rights to the land use are called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the Bureau of Land Management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repairs and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these monies against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they’re own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penance he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren’t doing their job. He quit paying the BLM and tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn’t work, they used the endangered species card. You’ve already heard about the desert tortoise. Well that didn’t work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now they’re desperate. It’s come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the Constitution of the United States of America. Then there’s the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn’t paid them, those cattle belong to him, regardless of where they are they are my father’s property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even existed. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad’s signature on it. They think they can take them over two borders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfield Auction and sell them. All this with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are? Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks”

[Venom]

Here is one of the better explanations: I'd like to share this here. It's kinda long so I'll hang up and listen to your responses...

Quick Google search for "Shiree Bundy Cox letter"...

Clive Bundy’s daughter Shiree Bundy Cox in a letter explains the feud from the family’s perspective:

“I have had people ask me to explain my dad’s stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the survival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. The rights to the land use are called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the Bureau of Land Management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repairs and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these monies against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they’re own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penance he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren’t doing their job. He quit paying the BLM and tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn’t work, they used the endangered species card. You’ve already heard about the desert tortoise. Well that didn’t work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now they’re desperate. It’s come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the Constitution of the United States of America. Then there’s the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn’t paid them, those cattle belong to him, regardless of where they are they are my father’s property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even existed. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad’s signature on it. They think they can take them over two borders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfield Auction and sell them. All this with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are? Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks”

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